Featured Emergency e15 authorization on its way

< $3.50 here....
I'm still seeing a LOT of LGB stickers on the pumps and my company (who buys most of the gas that I use) keeps sending out "friendly reminders" (nasty-grams) to "shop for the cheapest gas prices."

My finely honed Spidey senses inform me that market forces are affecting gas prices more than some notional idea of taking dot.DOT.dot gov out of the OODA loop for putting hooch in gasoline. besides....it takes a little while for E15 to get from the teleprompter to the pump.

Like I said earlier....the CURE for high gas prices is high gas prices.
E15 is trying to solve ANOTHER issue.

 

I don't consider midterm elections to be an "emergency." The app Pure Gas will use your phones GPS and tell you where closest E0 stations are but last time I checked it carried a very premium price.

 

A fool and their money.....

 

Where I've seen 87AKI E0 for sale at the pump, it was more than premium E10.
The only places I can get it without taking detour are speed shots. In the form 100 octane racing fuel sold by the 5g jug or 55g barrel for $8 to $10 a gallon.

 

The russian invasion of Ukraine combined with OPEC keeping oil production low is the emergency, in fact precisely the emergency that the strategic petroleum reserve is for. I would agree that E15 is not an emergency, but it is likely that its lack of use in times of high oil prices has nothing to do with the environment, but everything to do with CARB not updating their testing for modern cars and the real pollution. Again I think regulations should make all vehicles do the tiny bit of work (less than $100/vehicle on current regulations) to allow up to e30 or m30 or any combination. This would allow market forces to substitute. If the open fuel standard act had passed a large percentage of todays cars could run on up to M85, E85 any combination of alcohol up to 85% all the way to E0 pure gasoline. There would be no trouble hitting the mandate in a year like now, but big problems when oil is cheaper than ethanol or methanol.

I thought that E0 was not available in my area because of the ethanol mandate. Using you source (website not app) I found 5 stations in my area that have it. They are not major brands which is why I have never seen it. During high oil prices E0 will of course be much more than e10. During low oil prices the mandate keeps the price high.

More allowed alcohol in the long term puts pressure on OPEC not to spike prices. The current drop in oil prices is all about governments releasing strategic reserves not the e15 authorization. This puts pressure on opec to not cause gas shortages.

IMHO part of the cure, and this was in many financial analysis is less use and substitution. This is the reason China is pushing plug-ins so hard. But substitution takes time both in getting the vehicles on the road and building infrastructure. Governments can help by allowing more plentiful and both fossil and renewable methanol to be substituted or used to make synthetic gasoline and diesel.

 

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The stations with E0 I know of in my region, and also the ones I've seen in the South, are likely to support boating.

 

Or maybe people stopped panicking and filling up their tanks once they realized that gas was always available. So demand dropped as people with full tanks didn't need to refuel or waited till prices dropped.

 

One of the nationally recognized Porsche experts just sent me a message (I used to own some) detailing Porsche's guidance by year what E-level each engine design could handle. None are designed for E15.

Some secondary advise was to never fill up at a station while a tanker was delivering (stirs up crud in the bottom of the storage tank) and never fill up at a station that doesn't see a lot of constant traffic as high E blends in a storage tank retain a lot more water vapor than lower blends. hygroscopic

 

Can you give me his or her name so I can pass it along to porsche?
https://www.eesi.org/articles/view/e15-now-approved-for-use-in-two-thirds-of-new-cars-chicago-looks-at-e15-aga

The change doesn't happen until summer on E15 ;-) The current e15 stations are not affected by the emergency waiver, the waiver simply means that these nozzles aren't shut off in the summer. Porsche engines have been designed to be able to run e15 for over 2 decades. I have no idea if the rest of the fuel system could do it before 2015 my. There is a difference between recommended and safe to use without causing harm to the engine. Porsche recomends premium gasoline which will provide the most hp out of their engines. AFAIK E15 isn't going into premium pumps, so that is the reason it is not recommended for porsche.

 

Politics aside! Of course, all yard equipment cannot use this as far as I know! Maybe!!!!!

As bad as e10 is for my lawnmower and generator one would have to wonder what e15 does to cars.

on-recommendation of the use of blended gasoline ●If you use gasohol in your vehicle, be sure that it has an octane rating no lower than 87. ●Toyota does not recommend the use of gasoline containing methanol. ■Non-recommendation of the use of gasoline containing MMT Some gasoline contains an octane enhancing additive called MMT (Methylcyclopentadienyl Manganese Tricarbonyl). Toyota does not recommend the use of gasoline that contains MMT. If fuel containing MMT is used, your emission control system may be adversely affected. The malfunction indicator lamp on the instrument cluster may come on. If this happens, contact your Toyota dealer for service. ■If your engine knocks ●Consult your Toyota dealer. ●You may occasionally notice light knocking for a short time while accelerating or driving uphill. This is normal and there is no need for concern. ●Use only gasoline containing up to 15% ethanol. DO NOT use any flex-fuel or gasoline that could contain more than 15% ethanol, including from any pump labeled E30, E50, E85 (which are only some examples of fuel containing more than 15% ethanol).

 

We have already switched to battery powered yard equipment that is quieter, easier, and more powerful than ICE. For example, when ICE slows down, so too can torque and power. But electric motors generate more torque to power through.

There is already a thread about the battery tech lawn equipment.

Bob Wilson

 

You should say most ;-) Just about every lawnmower and snow blower sits idle for long periods of time. Most of these have carburetors, and if gas is not completely used up in the machine, some will be evaporating leaving gunk. Some have fuel injection which can stop oxygenation in the engine making them better equipped for e10 if sitting for weeks but not months. I helped a friend try to clean his lawnmower carburetor, it was plastic not the metal in really hard to clean well. He ended up needing to replace his gunked up carburetor.

Older vehicles with carburetors probably do a lot of damage with even e10. If it was built in the last decade (or even 2 decades for many) the vehicle will have fuel injection and fuel lines that handle e10 fine. These vehicles also have pollution control devices that stop most evaporative emissions unlike your lawn mower. Your Toyota quote clearly states you can use E15 which has an octane rating of 88 - which is higher than the 87 minimum.

 

2015 is a pretty new model for the Porsche base.

 

Bolding is mine. Its likely that porsche followed us regulations and had all their vehicles ready to accept up to 15% ethanol by 2008. They did not announce it until 2015. I am not sure what the purpose of your comment is. Is it that none are designed to handle this? That is clearly false.

Porsche recommends 91 octane gasoline which at most pumps can carry up to 10% ethanol. I doubt you can find a 91 octane premium pump that has 11%-15% ethanol, the blends that meet that are much higher 50% or more in flex fuel pumps. I am not telling any premium gasoline vehicle owner to use e15, as this normally has 88 octane which is much lower than manufacture recommendations. This was also in my previous posts. You could make a e15 premium that does work. Any ethanol is bad for those air cooled porsches.

 

Maybe now that the world is facing reduced food supply from Russia/Ukraine, maybe it will help to use farmland to produce ethanol instead of food. Gotta have cheap gas before November, though.

 

Corn varieties for fuel ethanol aren't consumable by humans, and crops are already planted this year.