bZ4X - Start Your Impossible

Thanks for uploading them. More videos to watch later. Although, if I am lucky and the final price is agreeable, I will be going for the Solterra rather than bz4X, I am taking them to be generally identical mechanically. So, any reviews on the specs and performance should be useful info.

 

It looks like Toyota got there artsy no info video ads/ideas off of Tesla owner created YouTube video sites - some of them 7 and 8 years old;

Another Fan-made Tesla Commercial | PriusChat

Some of them are quite good.

Toyota even seems to have copied one that a tesla owner did frolicking in the snow.

Glad to see Toyota finally 'knows their (ev) audience "
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The Future is Now: Toyota Launches All-New bZ4X SUV Battery-Electric Vehicle - Toyota USA Newsroom

Ok here we go. Final specs and initial pricing:

Starting MSRP: $42,000
Official EPA: 252 miles (405.6 km) FWD XLE
228 miles (367 km) AWD XLE
242 miles (389.5 km) FWD LImited
222 miles (357 km) AWD Limited

XLE FWD 131/107/119
(city/highway/combined MPGe)
XLE AWD 114/94/104
Limited FWD 125/103/114
Limited AWD 112/92/102

Max DC Charging: 150 kW FWD
100 kW AWD

Odd I couldn’t find if you could preorder although the day is still young.


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Oh well, that is a far cry from some of the low ball estimates I read, that said the starting price around $36K. If the starting price of the base FWD is $42K, then mid-trim Limited Solterra is going to be certainly more than $45K. Even if I am very lucky and my reservation goes through, I am now certain that the final price is going to be above my budget. I guess I will be looking for a Leaf or Kia Niro EV instead. Bummer!

 

got the email yesterday. looks good, but i don't expect decent availability until at least 2030. no fault of toyota of course, just the current world situation.

 

I am very curious why the DC fast charging max rate is different for the FWD & AWD.
Different batteries??

I am looking forward to test driving one.

 

Yes. The FWD has a 71.4 kWh battery and the AWD has a 72.8 kWh battery, plus they probably have different ECUs. I’m sure the AWD generates more power (and thus more heat) so they derate the power they can accept.


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I’m actually a bit surprised it is only $42,000, because of inflation. That being said I highly doubt you’ll be able to get the base model without some kind of package addition. bZ4X AWD XLE is $44,080 and Limited AWD is $48,780 so you are correct about the estimated price.


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Yeah, I was hoping the AWD bZ4X or Solterra will be less expensive than AWD versions of Mach-E, Kia EV6, Ioniq5... It may be by ~$1K? But, I have a firm budget limit of $45K OTD price tag that includes, destination charge, tax, TTL, other fees, and any markups. That is not going to happen. At least not this year in this market situation.

 

the difference between $36K and $42k seems like it may be estimating the $7000 incentive money from the Fed's - which is going away shortly. The good news is it's just that higher amount that's going away. There will still be thousands of incentive dollars, just not as much as before, before it completely phases out.
The downside is that the Stealerships will usually jack up any fed savings to line their own Pockets, leaving you the buyer pretty much in the same position you'd be in without any incentives.

agree w/ @drash. AWD would likely generate more heat. Perhaps Toyota fears the additional heat coupled with 50% faster charging would shorten traction pack longevity - ah La Nissan Leaf. Toyota could have put in more aggressive cooling, but then that jacks up buyers costs.
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Yeah, earlier estimates are all over the place. Some may have included the fed tax credit in that estimate.
See:What Will the 2023 Toyota bZ4X Cost?

. Forr example, Kelley Blue Book estimates that the bZ4X could start at about $36,000. On the other end of the spectrum, Consumer Reports estimates that this brand-new Toyota EV could cost somewhere between $40,000 to $45,000.
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I anticipated that Toyota will be running out of the tax credit quota, so that's why I reserved Subaru Solterra instead. But at this high starting price, my hope is gone now. Either I will wait for a few years, or go for cheaper BEVs.

 

we will ALL be waiting for a few years , as USA seems to be last on the list to get ANY of these models. Heck - many states will be waiting for years just to get the RAV4 Prime. We had Toyota take us off their mailing list for the rav-prime as all they use our info for is commercials for other models - rather than updates on the fully optioned-non slow charging Rav
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Is the Bolt off the list?

Has the voltages for the packs been published?

 

355 V for both battery packs.

Download the PDF from here 2023 Toyota bZ4X - Toyota USA Newsroom .


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For now, it is off my list. My $45K OTD firm budget is with the full tax incentive which brings the effective price tag down to $35.5K with a combined $2K state incentive. If I can find a Bolt at $35.5K OTD, then it will qualify, but at that price, Kia Nero EV or Hyundai Kona EV with tax credit looks so much better. Or if Nissan still has the full credit, then LEAF Plus SV is a good buy. And if I can live with a short 150 miles range, then LEAF SV is a fantastic bargain. But all of this will depends on the availability and actual price tag a dealer sticks on the car.

 

well - what with outrageously high prices for used cars - if one puts down that sale (~$20K?) OTD could still technically be considered to be under $45K

on a different thought;
. . . . . what n the world is that convoluted - "start your impossible" marketing campaign supposed to mean !?!
EV's started becoming less & less of a niche market - years ago.
Someone's got to get them a more catchy advertising phrase

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