New EVgo pricing - $18/hr Level 2!

good reason to stick with hybrids for now

 

a lot of public chargers ron on 208V vs 240V. So in those cases - charging is ~15% slower (thus more expensive)
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That looks reasonable for the mathematically challenged , still cheaper than a tank of gas (said, the mathematically challenged). Besides you got such a good deal on the Toyota - why shouldn't you supplement the Tesla and Nissan Leaf drivers. When they run out of electrons - they'll have to push their car to the charging station. (please add other car brands that can utilize a DCFC charger). I believe it's an optional upgrade for the Leaf.

 

Well I think I will have to keep to the "old" L2 chargers then,

 

You can always get one of these installed in your garage or neighborhood:

Gilbarco Tritium RT175-S DCFC Fast Charge Dual Electric Vehicle Charging Stations - John M. Ellsworth Co. Inc.

 

Hope your house has 400 Amp Service for this puppy.
https://www.evchargesolutions.com/Bosch-DCFC-el-52240-p/el-52240.htm

sourced from:
https://greentransportation.info/ev-charging/range-confidence/chap6-home-charging/fast-charging-at-home.html

It might overload my homes already full 120 Amp split bus box.

 

DC charging at 25 KW won't really require 400-amp service. The Tesla high power wall charger can pull nearly 20 kW (AC) for those Tesla's that can handle that much.
And more importantly, many EVSE's can be programmed to a lower maximum rate. There's also a very important reason why people might not want to ever charge at home at over 20kW.
Tesla built into their charge analog how frequently the cars charge at over 20kW. It was discovered that when owners charge most frequently on the supercharger network, the analog would trigger a 'dual' lower max charge rate, capping how much a traction pack could charge AT - & up to, which in effect caps both charge speed & car's range.
Why?
Because too frequent charging at high speeds (>19.9kW) diminished battery capacity and that would lead to too many warranty claims. It was quite a kerfuffle as owners felt they should have been made aware of that from the get-go rather than discover it through the bad experience of less range & charge speed. Even USING Tesla's CHAdeMO adapter on a charge unit programed to deliver a meager 20kW would trigger the analog. Many thought the worst thing about this was that Tesla denied capping charge limits.
Here's a link to the topic
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/tags/batterygate/
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Sorry - I'm having trouble following (completely), I get some of it and it sounds good, at least the parts I think I'm understanding. One I'm not getting is the traction pack, unless your referring to Prius Primes Traction Pack? , since I wouldn't think a Tesla Pack would normally be referred to that way?

Introducing V3 Supercharging | Tesla

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edit: now I'm wondering about what differences might be programmed into the Prius PHV (Japan) with CHAmeDO DC fast charging.
https://panorientnews.com/en/news.php?k=2269 circa: 2014 - 2015

Dot Gov thingy CHAmeDO and SAE CCS
https://avt.inl.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/presentations/INL_DCFastChargerInfrastructure.pdf

This fast charging thing is still kind-a new to me, but I was kind-a bummed a couple years ago when I saw a new charging bank at a NYS Thruway Service area with only CHAmeDO plugs ( no L2s' ) so I couldn't plugin our Prime while waiting for the misses to get refreshments. But at least I now know where one charger is on the Thruway and if I had a CHAmeDO enabled car I'd probably know where others are by now too.

Still learning

 

Your link above to a high-power DC charger doesn't really apply to the Prius Prime as it doesn't recharge through DC power - sorry about the confusion.
The main point is that there is no reason to cross the 20kw DC charge threshold - for those cars that have DC charging capability - because in the end, you will lose capacity and true high charge speed much quicker - for very little return.
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Understood ! As we're all (or at least those of us that are interested in this stuff) are getting informed on a growing scale, things are changing fast with PHEVs and EVs ! Like Toyota choosing EVgo as its partner for complimentary charging for the future release of bZ4X
2023 Toyota bZ4X | All-Electric SUV
and whatever the next gen Prius Prime will look like and or support in the way of charging infrastructure.

 

As to how fast things are changing, Agreed! BZ release is kind of annoying in that Asian & European areas get it before the usa. that slow release here is further compounded by lack of ecu/chips.
Evgo pricing? that's always going to be way higher then you can get at home.
For our plugin - & electricity it costs ~$1.25 to go 50 miles. Gas for ~50 miles now over $4.00 so it's a no Brainerd where to charge.

 

Agreed ! There's always a ton of new info being presented ! Cutting through all the false / misleading data and future looking statements is a never ending study in patience and fortitude as the ole man used to say quite often.

 

I found another wall mount CHAdeMO charger. This one is manufactured in France and is a 24kw model.
https://www.chademo.com/products/chargers/ies-synergy-24

And some details about the Prius PHV charging using CHAdeMO chargers.
https://www.chademo.com/products/evs/priusphv

Looks a lot like Charge Mode at 35-40 mph, to me anyway.
Would love to see what DrPrius shows while charging a Prius PHV on a CHAdeMO

 

Isn't that how Japan does it?

 

Just bumped into an all in one package with DC fast charging for the home:

Solar inverter
Vehicle as home battery backup
DC fast charger
Home energy management

https://www.dcbel.energy/r16/

REVVL V+ 5G ?

 

According to the google, the Prius Prime can charge at a max of 15A and takes 2.25 hours for a full charge of its 3.3kW battery using a 240V level 2 charger. At $18/hr, that's $40.50, so better off pulling into a petrol station and getting a couple gallons of gas. Perhaps that's the point, EVGo wants to keep its charging spaces open for high end EV's so is pricing out the plug-ins.

 

LoL; see my comments above; #4. Our Prime has a 8.8kWh battery - of which ~6.8kWh is chargeable on the plug-in. The rest is reserved for hybrid operations. This is also assuming your own time isn't worth anything (ie. if your getting paid $20/hr.; you've just lost an additional $40).

 

In the real world, a complete Prime 240V L2 charge takes 1h50min, not 2hr15min.

 

That depends.
Mine takes 2h 10 min consistently (Level 2) as seen on the MID timer, if I'm charging from O EV miles (real world for me). YMMV, and usually does.
Using a different timer than the MID will give different results and there are also different combinations of charging scenarios that change the timing of the full charge ie: preconditioning.
Cut and dry statements about the Prime rarely if ever cover all variations and conditions that another Prime owner might experience.