SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

Here is an interesting take on the situation.

A Possible Role for Anti-idiotype Antibodies in SARS-CoV-2 Infection and Vaccination :

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMcibr2113694

 

A couple of post here mentioned the Amish people. Our area has a couple of Amish settlements. They bother no one and live with as little contact with society as possible. They are friendly but have absolutely no interest in modern society as far as I can tell . They avoid the Health System in our country and the Education System wanting nothing to do with them and asking nothing of these systems. The only way you would know they were in the area is by the buggies and roadside produce stands.

I can respect the Amish people for their views - when they get sick they do not visit the hospital or clog up the Health Care System like unvaccinated members of our society. I have seen Amish in our local Lowes and they always have mask on when interacting with "outsiders" in society.

Unlike many others in mainstream society, they are respectful of others almost to a fault. In our area I would say the Amish would pose 0 health threats to us.

 

A definitive answer might take awhile, after the B.1 variant has been replaced by the B.2 and greater variants. Still, I have wondered about the antibody attack points on the COVID virus variants.

I suspect the initial mRNA attacked the original COVID virus at the mapped ends of the spikes. But the omicron variants may have added different end points or modified segments lower down on the spike structure.

Bob Wilson

 

From the article, it sounded like it was a lack of COVID vaccine instead people being antivax. The traditional vaccines for historic disease are likely used.

Sounds like the Amish aren't big into modern medicine at all.

 

It is unclear how to interpret this data and the article didn't say.
It may be a misleading graph.
Are the units per 100,000 population or per 100,000 of each category.

If the raw numbers in each category aren't the same, aren't you comparing different percentages?

Mike

 

I don't know as the second source, the CDC report, has more details where these numbers came from.

Bob Wilson

 

The data for Omicron here is still too early as "deaths" are delayed from "cases" by several weeks. Many of the deaths in December 2021 were probably still due to Delta.

JeffD

 

dang, we missed your 2 year anniversary

 

novavax seeking fda approval:
38952650

 

i read today that even though hospitalizations in ma are being differentiated between 'admitted and being treated for covid symptoms', and 'tested positive for covid after admission, but not being treated for it',
deaths are all still lumped into 'tested positive for covid'.

and of course, the media are still reporting hospitalizations as a total of 'covid positive' only.

 

1 please link to the numbers for all the groups: vaccinated, boostersededed, and decliners , at your local hospitals.

2 so, it's ok for one group to abstain from vaccination, boosters, socialism (oops I meant "distancing") , because of their religious/primal beliefs, but not another ? LMAO

3 lol... the hypocrisy in this post is thick.

you've basically given the Amish/Mennonites a pass to do whatever they want because of their religious beliefs.... will you give the same pass to your neighbors, when they claim a religious belief, or just plane reject the virus "mandates" that you believe should be followed by everyone ?

 

of course they are... the grasping of straws is easy to see now... if anyone chooses to open their eyes...

yup, if you're run over by a bulldozer, it's the blessed religion of the virus that was the cause of death.

 

And yet, somehow those bulldozers ran over half a million extra people recently. It's weird.

 

If they live in isolation like the Amish and other religious orders, yes!

Now that you bring it up, internment in camps for similar 'believers' makes sense. No mixed employment, shopping, and schools with the vaccinated, masking, and social distancing patriots fighting this disease. Isolation makes a lot of sense so the rest of us are not exposed to either breakthrough infections or new variants these idiots spawn off. Florida would be ideal.

Bob Wilson

 

... a half million extra per year, for two consecutive years.

 

How many of those "extra deaths" were due to the lockdowns and psychological effects of lost jobs/businesses/isolation.

JeffD

 

At the outside, within how many orders of magnitude of the actual number do you think you could get with that?

 

Biology is a 'messy' science.

You have a minor sinus infection. Something your body can handle on its own. But you get in a car accident. Now your body has the deal with that trauma on top of that infection. The immune system gets stretched thin, and that minor infection becomes serious. If you die, what actually killed you? Alone neither health event may not have done so, or maybe they would have, or maybe both needed to happen. We really have no way of saying. That's why flu deaths from a typical season are actually reported as flu/pneumonia; bad cases of the virus usually lead bacterial secondary infections.

HIV/AIDS hasn't actually killed anyone. The virus attacks the immune system, which is very important, but isn't a directly life sustaining one. In virtually all cases, death was from another infection or health issue that arose from the weaken immune system. Do we ignore that those deaths had HIV when accounting?

If you go to the hospital, it is for something generally serious. Even if the case of COVID is and remains mild, it has an impact on how your body handles the other issue. A person that can bring in all their groceries at once, and walk a 20 minute mile, probably can't walk a mile in 20 minutes while carrying all those full bags. That's what it's like for your immune system when dealing with even a minor issue on top of a major one.

Any evidence of it being 5% of those deaths, or even less? Higher than 5% would be really obvious with the total numbers in play.