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Featured 2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5 & Kia EV6 EPA Range Announced

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by Tideland Prius, Dec 4, 2021.

  1. Tideland Prius

    Tideland Prius Moderator of the North
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    Hyundai Ioniq 5 (220-303 miles)

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    Kia EV6 (222-310 miles)

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    The tests are probably done with the base 19" rims.

    Knock off 5-10 miles for the 20" rims on the long range versions. (Base 58kWh versions only come with 19" rims)
     
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    Seeing the efficiency hit on Kia/Hyundai's all-wheel drive is troubling to those that may need it in snowy / muddy areas. Now iirc - dual motors didn't seem to cause an efficiency hit like this when Tesla started offering AWD. Supposedly - after acceleration, the large rear motor could be power reduced & allow the smaller (more efficient?) front motor to do the cruising. It'd be great to see something like that from the other manufacturers.
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    My guess is that Hyundai/Kia is using a permanent magnet motor for the second like others. When that motor is not being being powered, those magnets apply a braking force to that axle. So it's lose efficiency fighting that force, or lose it by always powering that motor

    Tesla is using an induction motor for the second one. These are less efficient than a permanent magnet one, but when unpowered, the only loses are those for spinning the wheels and axle.
     
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    I am surprised to see the difference in efficiency between Hyundai and Kia. I thought they are basically the same car. Is that because of the aerodynamic of the Kia EV6?
     
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    Small changes in drag+aero make big tank to tank differences
     
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    Tesla runs an induction motor for the second one like Toyota did with the Prius AWD-e.

    On the Ioniq 5 and EV6, both motors are PMS motors but there is a clutch to disconnect the front motor when 2WD is needed. So in theory, the AWD should not cost that much. The other possibility is that the AWD models come with 20” rims and the RWD with 19”.

    The Ioniq 5, for some reason, has worse efficiency with the 20” rim on the Ultimate trim (or package in Canada). I think it loses out on the highway portion given its boxier design.

    Both have active grille shutters.
     
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    Yeah...this has always kept me from considering an electric vehicle. Not necessarily a potential range hit...but the fact that we would need the AWD model and the substantial additional cost that comes with it. I'm not driving ANY RWD vehicle around here in the winter...that's for sure. (y) I sure wish an electric vehicle manufacturer would make a *FWD* model the standard base model. :rolleyes:
     
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    Difference in aerodynamics? The Ionic 5 seems to be much more of a 'box on wheels' design.
     
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    Toyota's BEV is FWD.
    With traction and stability control being standard on everything, RWD should do much better in the snow than in the past.
     
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    That's my thinking.
     
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    Don't forget the EV6 is lower to the ground as well.
     
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    I believe they both have the same ground clearance. But I guess you mean height. Yes, the EV6 is shorter.
     
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