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  1. bisco

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    got my booster yesterday, a little achy and tired this morn
     
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    No real symptoms for me or my kids:).

    But now that I have said that:eek:.

    Hope your symptoms don't last too long(y).
     
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    tylenol helped. went for a walk, a little tired now, but aches are better, thanks!
     
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    Shot Thursday…….Update Sunday.
    Zero side effects.
    The only difficulty was in trying to find the initial white card, but since I live on free soil we are not required to “carry papers”.
    I documented the shot with my employer and I’m now good for another six months.
    Disclaimer:
    My employer will accept a push-button attestation that I have an ‘objection’ to the vaccine…BUT….they are also in line to get their share of the gigabucks of dot.gov money - and I expect that this money will come with strings attached.
    Besides….despite the dearth of longitudinal data for mRNA vaccinations, there is a LOT of -er- ‘latitudinal’ data, and I like the numbers….so far.
    …and my child rearin days are in the rear-view mirror.
    The most painful part of the shot was playing “odd or even” when I took off the bandage that they vulcanized to my right shoulder.
    I lost count of the number of hairs that was attached to the patch of skin that came off with the bandage, but I think it was an ODD number.
     
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    i had a thought (unusual for me)
    people should be given the option of free ivermectin/hydroxychloroquine, or, free hospitalization with approved care, should they become sick with covid.

    pick your poison :cool:
     
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    With TriCare ivermectin isn’t free but its covered, just like other approved treatments.
    Hydroxychloroquine I’m not so sure about, but I will ax a few nurse friends.
    I suspect that with monoclonals and the *new* Pfizer pill will probably be the new front line treatment for hospitalizations and/or outpatient treatment.
     
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    • leave the hospital and contact your local anti-vaxxers, especially anti-vaxxer politicians
      • scribble your final directives
    • stay in hospital and collaborate with treatment
      • contact trace all live-ins and co-workers
    Bob Wilson
     
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    that was weird, a dupe over 5 hours later (n)
     
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    Headline: MSM/Newsweek Blocked By the Twitters!!

    Omicron Has Not Killed Anyone Says WHO as New Variant Cases Rise in U.S.

    OK...maybe not.
    No dampanic lasts forever.
    The bug (a virus) that caused the 1918 flu for example, has become significantly less deadly since, now causing only ordinary seasonal flu.
    Meanwhile, the bug (a bacteria!) that caused the Black Death, which directly or indirectly killed as many as a quarter of the people on the globe, is still just as deadly as it ever was.
    Different critters.
    Different rules.

    There's even a whiff (almost completely stamped out by Alphabet) that some bugs get STRONGER over time with vaccinations - although I personally think that many of these theorists conflate the roles of vaccination with therapeutics.
    NOT that any of this goes on in 2021.... :unsure:


    Will the coronavirus evolve to be less deadly?

    TL : DR
    YMMV
     
    #5231 ETC(SS), Dec 6, 2021
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    There are examples of viral diseases becoming less or more lethal over time. Both directions:

    https://knowablemagazine.org/article/health-disease/2020/how-viruses-evolve

    The textbook idea of reducing lethality to increase 'new-meat' access is certainly plausible, but it is not the only possibility.

    Omicron variant has not shown its hand yet. But it will.

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    I have not found a source that summarizes lethality trends of bacterial diseases over time.

    There are major differences between viral and bacterial infection that make it unlikely that evidence from one could be applied to the other. Virus need to reprogram your cells to make new virus copies. So they need tricks to enable cell entry and more tricks for reprogramming.

    Bacteria (diseases) live outside your cells, use enzymes to break cells open, and then recopy themselves using the resources (soup) that comes out. Multicellular parasitic diseases have similar methods to bacteria. Nothing else is like viruses.

    Bacterial and parasitic diseases often have intermediate (host) species that handle the matter of broadcasting (if you will), so rapidly disabling victims may not prevent them from accessing additional victims. Some viral diseases are assisted in spread by animals (most famously mosquitoes):

    https://www.ars.usda.gov/ARSUserFiles/20200500/Pubs 2018/Gouge et al. UAExt2017.pdf

    Covers 4 you've heard of. So those may be under less pressure to tamp down lethality, than sars cov2 which pretty much requires victims to do all the broadcasting themselves.
     
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    sars cov2 and measles both have early transmission by victims not yet showing symptoms. Measles is famous for that. That little sidestep may help them avoid pressure to reduce lethality, while maintaining broadcasting power.
     
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    . . . but warned it could take several weeks to determine how infectious the new COVID-19 variant is.
    ​
    Sometime posting just a 'headline' can lie by omission the contents of the article. I try to make sure at least three paragraphs are included as quotes. Please don't FOX us as anyone who does risks getting caught.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    The link outs the source…..

    Only the lazy are foxed…..
     
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    Pends on WHO manufacturers it I suppose…..
     
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    i hope it's another hundred years away
     
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