SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

I just looked yesterday and we now have over 4,000 variants!

I keep hearing stuff like, "If you get the vaccine, you may still catch it but it won't be as bad" or "If you get the vaccine, you're less likely to die if you do catch it."

Real world situation where I work. Our secretary and her family of 7 flew to Tennessee a few weeks ago for a family wedding. When they returned, they all got sick, and then got tested and all 8 had covid-19. Of the 8, 6 were fully vaccinated and 2 were not. None of them had to go to the hospital and the sickest were the 6 already vaccinated. The 2 unvaccinated had the mildest symptoms and recovered the fastest. I'll say that, again, the 2 unvaccinated had the mildest symptoms and recovered the fastest!

This brings up a lot of questions about what we're being told about the vaccines, IMHO, and I'm not getting any booster until I find out more information and talk to my family doctor about it.

 

Were the two unvaccinated family members young? If so that answers your questions. There are a lot of variables besides vaccination status.

JeffD

 

There are also big questions in this story that you didn't answer. As jdenenberg asks, if those two unvaxxed were young, that puts away all mystery.

 

Hard to reconcile? Hawgwarsh.

The first quarter of 2020, the pandemic was in its infancy here: 0 deaths in January, 1 death in February, 5000+ in March.

But New Years Day 2021 arrived at near peak pandemic. Peak death rate was the middle of January, when vaccines were just barely beginning the mass rollout. We had over 200,000 deaths January through March this year.

 

i hear you, but vaccines are developed for a population. in the studies, we see the statistical results. they aren't perfect, and with almost all vaccines, that's the case. there are people who are naturally immune to most any disease, but we don't know who they are. and unfortunately, the vaccine studies did not include the delta variant, so we're left with actual clinical numbers. from what i'm seeing, on the whole, vaccinated people are doing better than unvaccinated.
i get my 3rd shot dec. 3, even though i realize there is some risk.

our daughter has to fly to chicago in a few weeks, i told her to sit next to an open window

 

... or ...

... they had wartime censorship, covering it up. Except for Spain, which being neutral, allowed its press to cover it freely. Which might be why it is often called the Spanish Flu, not the American or Kansas or Fort Riley Flu.

 

Source: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-03552-w

“A burning question is does it reduce vaccine effectiveness, because it has so many changes,” says Aris Katzourakis, who studies virus evolution at the University of Oxford, UK. Moore says breakthrough infections have been reported in South Africa among people who received any of the three kinds of vaccines in use there, from Johnson & Johnson, Pfizer-BioNtech or Oxford-AstraZeneca. Two quarantined travellers in Hong Kong who have tested positive for the variant were vaccinated with the Pfizer jab, according to news reports. One individual had travelled from South Africa, while the other was infected during hotel quarantine.

Researchers in South Africa will also study whether B.1.1.529 causes disease that is more severe or milder than other variants produce, Lessells said. “The really key question comes around disease severity.”

So far, the threat B.1.1.529 poses beyond South Africa is far from clear, researchers say. It is unclear whether the variant is more transmissible than Delta, says Moore, because there are currently low numbers of COVID-19 cases in South Africa. “We’re in a lull,” she says. Katzourakis says that countries where Delta is highly prevalent should be watching for signs of B.1.1.529. “We need to see what this virus does in terms of competitive success and whether it will increase in prevalence.”​

This is how RNA virus work. They mutate quickly and natural selection leads to a constant battle with vaccinations and treatments.

Bob Wilson

 

If it follows the script, B.1.1.529 should be more transmissible (as designed by it's manufacturer) AND less virulent.....also by design.

 

I just checked Johns Hopkins and though South Africa shows a small blip this past week, it would ordinarily be just 'noise.' I'm wondering how this or any new variant is detected?

Our world health organizations must have some especially sensitive detection systems in place. Contact tracing of unusual breakthrough infections?

Bob Wilson

ps.

God is a clever devil.

 

He has an interesting way of making these things less virulent "by design" though. He sends them in all flavors, and lets us do the work of, umm, failing to propagate the more virulent ones as much. So, from the vantage point of history, eventually it will look like the variants were nicely getting less virulent over time.

Just looks a tad different to the people tapped for the job of making that appear to be the case.

 

I suspect they may have been measuring viral load rather than RNA in blood. But I am not their reviewer.

Bob Wilson

 

fizer says they only need 100 days to adjust vaccine for new variants

 

we don't need medical science to continue human enterprise, but it does reduce natural selection

 

most people live beyond typical child bearing years without the help of a doctor

 

Nearly everything I'm seeing suggests that, despite the proliferation of hookup apps, the actual overall rate of procreation-type activity is actually down. All the other screen time seems to be interfering.

 

The Millennials Not Having Babies Because of Climate Change - The Atlantic

Besides the absurdity of the title, many rather interesting demographics aren't having the kiddos, and of those that do it's one-and-done, rather than "an heir and a spare."

A different kind of "Silent Spring?"