Ford maverick - Anyone else skeptical about Ford's "40 MPG in the city" claim?

I put my name on the reservation but so far nothing is happening. I am not sure they are going to get them out this year. Yeah, wait out the first-year model and see what the reality holds.

I still wish we had Japanese Kei trucks here. It would be perfect for our hauling needs and cost/performance.

 

Are those total capacity values, or usable?

My guess is total from what I remember of the old Prius specs. If so, the usable amount is going to be 40% of those figures, as all those models used NiMH.

I think the last Ford hybrid to use NiMH was the first gen Fusion. It has been Li-ion ever since, which would give the Maverick 80% usable of that capacity. That's 0.88kWh to a gen3 Prius's 0.52. Then this is the hybrid system from the Escape in which the battery is liquid cooled. The Escape's curb weight is 3870lbs with a 44mpg city rating.

Spotted one of those on I95, a year ago. Did a quick search then of used ones pricing, and found a fire truck model listed for $10k.

 

My understanding is that the standard Kei sold in Japan is not a road-legal vehicle as is in the USA. Importing used Kei and modifying it to make it road legal would make the cost too high. Those trucks sell below $10K brand new over there.

 

Rav4 hybrids have a curb wt of about 3700 lbs and are rated at 41 mpg in the city and get that easily.

 

I do (but wouldn’t bet on it). Why? Well first my C-max easily beats its EPA CITY numbers. Secondly, you’re comparing older NiMh tech to LiOn. Just look how much better the Prius LiOn models perform over the regular Prius family. And thirdly, see previous C-max FE fiasco(s). Fourth, numbers seen in early pre-production “spy photos” from dealer demonstrators look promising.

We have a loaded Maverick on (back) order. Might get it next spring (ordered in late June).

 

Kei Older than 1996 is fully importable and road legal in the US

 

Every time I hit 40 in the city I get a ticket.

That said most every vehicle “could “ get almost 80mpg at 25mph if the motor and drivetrain was sized for the speed.

But knowing Ford king of the MPG lawsuit it is certainly possible they are pushing the metric.

No doubt in -20F weather you will get 50% of that number

 

Good to know. But then again, just importing directly from Japan, would not be cost-effective. And I would have a problem driving on the wrong side of the road... lol I have never driven a car with the steering wheel on the right side. Is that hard to do? US postal service people may not think so... but I wonder how hard it is for me.

 

Brave? Hah, not really. By the time ours gets built, first adopters will be nearly 6 months in. I’ve been following Ford’s HEV’s and PHEV’s since about 2010 when I found out they were so similar to the HSD and over all they’ve got a really good track record (other than FE fiasco).

 

I believe that's about right. I was just noting that a vehicle of that weight can get such good MPG. Question is it because of the bigger battery, improved hybrid system or both. The first gen Rav4 Hybrid had the same size battery but much worse MPG than the current gen.

 

Anything specific?

Forgot to mention this: Maverick hybrid is based on the Escape hybrid drivetrain that’s been out for a while. The Escape PHEV was put on hold for samsung battery issues (in Europe before it got here) but if that is sorted and if the Maverick PHEV rumors become true, I’ll wait for that.

 

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That price was for the fire truck. The basic pick ups were in the $6000 range at the time.

That might actually be the photo from the ad.

The F150 is a parallel hybrid, and also the most powerful drive train option. Might not be easy for some to drive it frugally. If used for towing any large trailers, the 8 to 10 mpg it gets then will really drag the average down.

That Prius rating includes average results from cars with NiMH and Li-ion. The Eco cuts weight for more favorable test conditions. The Prime has higher battery capacity. A larger NiMH battery would get similar results.