Featured Toyota Says It Isn't Anti-EV; Suggests It'll Build More EVs If Demand Exists

Toyota's head has never said anything different from the paraphrase. Why would anyone get hung up on a paraphrase. Lexus ran deceptive ad's about EV's taking hours to charge. Suddenly if that's paraphrased then it's not what Toyota said?

Meth dealers too are in the business of making money - they too use whatever strategy they use to assure profitability. If you take social responsibility out of the equation, sure - both businesses are fine and dandy.

the climate has changed for thousands of years. Perhaps you mean to say man-made?
that belief is not even needed to go EV. Simply Dump the ICE - & then your ride is more efficient. Dump the ICE - then your ride needs less maintenance. Dump the ICE, & you can 'fuel' at home. Dump the ICE, owners w/ solar can charge for free. Dump the ICE, and cars can be smog free. Dump the ice, people can have less respiratory health issues/medical costs. Dump the ICE & there can be less motive to prop up hostile governments - etc.
Or?
Sell cars that that are easier to profit from - continually amortizing fossil fuel tech.
But don't hang everyone's hat on CO2 - because it ain't necessary - & it wastes a lot of other rationals that are more agreed upon. And if love love love to hate CO2 is what's important to anyone? Yeah, EV'S will reduce that too.

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Personally I would like to see fuel taxes replace by a weight and wheel count for all vehicles. The owner pays a fixed amount each year including trailers. This would put ICE on an even playing field with BEV.

Bob Wilson

 

I'd love this as well... The weight of your vehicle and mileage driven and where is a pretty clear measure of road repair costs that your vehicle will cause... It would also benefit local city road funding much more than federal highway funding, because local roads are traveled so much more often by so many.

Of course all this makes so much sense there's no way the world we live in would allow it!

 

Measuring miles driven introduces a technical complication. Just road tax the vehicle by weight and tire count is enough. For good measure, indexed with similar State vehicle tax/fees.

Based on climate, some States may need a higher fee.

Bob Wilson

 

I have to submit my car for a safety and emissions inspection every year before my state will give me a sticker. The independent shop or dealer must be on line to the DMV or they tell me to come back another day so even in my pink state I know it works this way. The inspection shop reports the odometer reading on that day to the DMV and the DMV sends me a sticker and registration once I've paid the tax. Now what can be the technical complication of issuing me a bill that is based on miles driven and the weight of my car and any other well known factor from a car specifications database and the computed bill printed on the inspection report they give. Computers are amazing things. Politics aside.

 

In Alabama, there is no annual inspection.

Bob Wilson

 

Same w/ Montana ... probably many others as well.
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I kinda like the idea of only paying taxes for the roads I use... Think of how cities would intentionally divert traffic just to generate revenue.

 

CAFE rules actually encourage plug ins. A company needs to sell less of them to pull up the vehicles don't hit the target. Higher targets will encourage hybrids, but the issue with CAFE has always been that it doesn't change what the people want. It results in money losing deals on efficient cars as companies discount in order to sell them for CAFE.

 

Not 'toll roads.'

Bob Wilson

 

If you want to know how COVID vaccination is going in your country, do you compare to with tiny countries that have populations in the thousands or do you compare against the largest countries or the world average? If you looked at this chart, you might think that the US is severely lagging in vaccinations:
COVID-19 Data Explorer - Our World in Data

This despite the US having nearly 3x the vaccination levels compared to the world average. If nearly all the countries with sub-100k population had better vaccination record compared to the US, it wouldn't change the argument about the vaccination record of the US. The comparison with the world average and with other large countries is the important one, not one with Gibraltar.

 

Is it legal to sell meth in your country? Maybe work on the laws. Don't let drug dealers determine which drugs are consumed and in which quantity. Society collectively needs to be in charge of such decisions.

Of course we mean man-made climate change. Why does it need to be qualified? Absolutely nobody is concerned about the gradual change in climate that takes thousands of years to produce noticeable changes.

Sure, that's how you convince your friend to go EV. Going hybrid is also a way to reduce maintenance. Hybrids and PHEVs also reduce emissions significantly compared to the average vehicle in their classes. People aren't hesitant to purchase an EV because they don't see the merits, they are hesitant because they are concerned about up-front cost, cold weather range, time to charge on road trips, availability of charge stations, etc.

More agreed upon than the need to reduce CO2 emissions in an economic manner? The only reason we need regulations here at all is to ensure that CO2 emissions are under control and we are not at the mercy of corporations. That's the only thing the government has to mandate. They don't need to mandate that the cabin is quiet and comfortable. You don't need to convince people that a quiet ride is better, but you'll be hard pressed to convince some people on the need to reduce their emissions.

 

You are comparing apples and water towers.
Average CO2 emissions per vehicle eliminates the size issue, as the measuring stick is ‘per vehicle’.
I am not trying to draw any relationship between a companies overall fleet CO2 footprint.
Although, if you wanted to do that, since Toyota is the biggest, it’s entire fleet CO2 emissions are even worse, probably the 2nd worst, if not bottom.

 

No inspection for BEVs in NJ.

 

Y'all are only talking about this because of the way the headline is written.

if it were:

"Toyota Says It Isn't Anti-EV; Suggests It'll Build More EVs If Demand Exists at Profitable Prices"

...it would be crickets here.

@Prashanta already called it, I just wrote it a different way.

 

The topic is not important. It could very well have been life expectancy of Martians. The point is that comparing something with the overall average is more sensible than comparing with parts that are not weighted evenly. If you're going to compare parts, compare with the parts that have some "weight". The overall average is the weighted average.

 

I still don’t see how size affects the emissions per vehicle.
Emissions per vehicle makes a lot more sense that emissions of all vehicles, as then size would be an issue.

This number is more affected by composition of each manufacturers fleet. For example, Ford has a large percentage of their fleet as trucks.
It makes sense that their overall fleet emissions are high. Not excusable, but logically it makes sense.

 

I wouldn't say crickets as Toyota made statements against EVs in order to protect their profits from ICE vehicles.

The EPA value is that weighted average. It is the average fuel economy rating of every vehicle with one that they have sold in the US. When it comes to carbon emissions, it is the cars that are actually on the road that matter.

 

Well the CAFE as envisioned by Obama admin are impossible to reach unless we give large CAFE credits to plug-ins.
I am not talking about doing it that way.

 

The original target was set when there more sedan sales. Adjusting it for the current sales mix can be done.

A high target should encourage the spread of hybrid drive trains. Possibly diesels, but the cars were never as popular as hybrids. Diesel trucks that weren't exempt from CAFE have just started showing up. The diesel Equinox has already come and gone though. So diesels in generally will likely remain a smaller niche among passenger vehicles.

Plug ins do get a large credit. IIRC, a BEV can be counted as much as 1.6 cars for the CAFE average. Four high MPGe ones can have as much weight as six cars without a plug. I don't think that changed with the roll back of the target.