Featured Lexus Announces 10 year/1,000,000km Battery Warranty on UX300e

.... and yet ... this is just a warranty to where the car is sold ... China, and where else?
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Already taking orders in Norway and the Netherlands!
First deliveries within 3months...

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Any indication how many orders have come in? From the article - (see below) ;

The EPA efficiency calculation here in the US would mean this Lexus will only get around 167 miles of range.
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I don't know how this will sell - even overseas, if you could get a model 3, maybe for less money, with almost 2X the driving range, plus 0-60mph twice as fast, plus high-speed charging nearly 5X as fast, & even L2 charging is faster.
Then, if your five or six years down the road, with maybe 25% capacity loss? (air-cooled battery makes that likely)
Now your Lexus has only/about a 135 miles range left (EPA).
Considering how advanced the Gen 2 Prius was, most here would certainly be expecting more from Lexus on their first iteration.
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So you end up with 117 unusable miles (167 x 70%). Unusable because in cold or hot weather you aren't even going to get that. Few places I want to go with that range.

 

Show stoppers for me:

• 50 kW fast DC charger - too low to make cross country travel practical
  • CCS-1 chargers are a work in progress: low reliability, high cost per kWh
• 6.6 kW L2 charger - too lethargic

Bob Wilson

 

200miles every 15 minutes

otherwise it’s more of a toy for local or intralata but not a real road trip.

too bad the unlimited battery warranty doesn’t come over here

 

Who needs what in a way of charging speed is subjective. But for the 1st ½ decade - Tesla owners were content with 100kW. But of course, more is better.

One thing is for sure. You will never see a 100kW - 200kW air-cooled EV. Look how quickly some of the early Nissan Leafs cook their selves in short order just by charging at 50kW. Even newer ones seriously throttle back chargespeed on Long multi charge trips.
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I've used a super charger once. I haven't paid to upgrade my garage charger to the faster 11 kw one from the 7.7 kw it gets from my dryer outlet. I started finding it was more a pita using the 6.4 kw public chargers than just plugging in in my garage even though I'm paying $25 for 6 months for unlimited on those. I'm sure there are plenty of people this lexus will charge fast enough.

but ... They will be driving 25,000 km (15,700 miles) or less a year not the 100,000 km a year this battery is waranted for. Lexus knows this. You need much faster charging infrastructure - probably the 250 kw or faster to be doing that much distance in a year. The waranty is a gimmick to make people feel more comfortable.

 

My EV Floats around 200whr/mile or less so not necessarily but 300kw would be amazing

 

Not a law but we need 15-20 min for bathroom break and bag lunch while charging for the next fast DC charger about 2 -2.5 hours away with 30 reserve.

Bob Wilson

 

Even my Spark is liquid cooled with a 50kw charger.

 

So too is our BMW i3-REx that taught us CCS-1, fast DC at 50 kW is 4x the cost of premium gas between Huntsville and Nashville, $24 vs $6.

Although I may tease @bisco for his first generation Prius Prime, he figured it out 8(?) years ago.

Bob Wilson

 

Haven't used DC charging yet, but it's there when I may need it.

 

Keep in mind that Toyota doesn't play all their cards at once. We know that a CCS-2 will be offered. Digging for detail, I discovered a mention of it supporting up to 200 kW. After some more digging, I found mention of a Lexus concept in the works able to accept 150 kW. Those are clues that Toyota is watching the industry struggle with standards and exploring the options available.

The bigger problem is that Tesla is approaching an impasse. To grow beyond a niche audience, their chargers must become part of a standard. We are seeing this play out in Europe already. Tesla's proprietary connection was abandoned in favor of CCS. Here in the United States, a transition of that nature will likely be painful since there is no clear path to achieving such change.

That is a big reason why Toyota has pursued opportunity from PHEV offerings. Think about how many will start with one, then later purchase a BEV later when some type of charging standard finally takes hold. It is a great way to send a culture of change message to both business & consumer while at the same time refining the underlying technology.

Think about what "50 kW fast DC charger" means to a dealer or shopper. Most have absolutely no clue of what that information is telling them. Think about what it means to someone who plugs in at a public charger now. The technology is proving itself. But there is much disagreement about the how's & what's still. To reach a mainstream audience, all that needs to be worked out to the point of becoming a "for dummies" technology.

 

The Prii lions are eating their young...

 

We'll have to agree to disagree:

• Tesla plug and SuperChargers work - disconnected from EV producers, the independent CCS-1 networks have little motivation to provide fastDC charging to any EV manufacturer.
• It is more accurate to report the EU mandated the CCS-2 connector. Tesla didn't abandon as much as the EU decided to call the game.
• The company:CCS1 To Tesla Adapter Finally Available For North American Market, claims to have a $1k adapter. Since I already have a Testa with SuperCharger port, I'm not tempted. After all, I use PlugShare and have accurate maps and user feedback on CCS-1 chargers.

I going to suggests the type of fastDC charger is important but a trivial amount a research shows this is not a determinate. If someone wants a Tesla, they can do pretty much anything needed. If someone wants a CCS-1 port, there are plenty of EVs to meet their desire. Having experience with both, I would prefer SuperCharger:

• light weight
• 250 kWh peak charge rates
• integrated with Tesla map

Bob Wilson