Featured Toyota chief speaks out on EVs

Where's the incentive? We just had a brand new hardware store build in reclaimed industrial land. There are at least 400 parking spots. Despite being a relative progressive state (Minnesota, who is currently applying to adopt California rules), not a single charger was provided. There simply isn't driving force to make the investment worthwhile. It's an inconvenient truth.

 

Nice cherry picking
There are plenty of charging locations in the Twin Cities. Tesla has one right off 35w just north of downtown.
Public chargers exist in downtown and many other areas.
True, not every retail locations have chargers, but enough for current EV population.

 

This is pretty silly. Supercharging stations typically go up in existing parking lots in all zone types. Capacity could be increased 1000x from existing and no space problem.

 

There are a handful, that's what... 1 charger per 10,000 vehicles.

You are clearly not taking the situation seriously.

 

‘I take it far more seriously than you.
The ratio of chargers to vehicles that can use said chargers is far better than 10,000 to one.

 

You can't build a gas station, or a hyrdogen station in your garage, or in random parking lots... But in a day or so you can set up a charging station in your garage, as well as in any parking lot that already has electricity for lighting. To say charging availability is going to be a problem is silly. It might be inconvenient at times, but you should of seen the gas lines during the fuel crisis in the 1970's.

 

True Zero is installing 4 pumps per location. This is their standard for all future stations. Quoted $700k per station. If it makes you feel better let’s say it may exceed $100k more.

 

Tesla Destination chargers are popping up all over the place and lately, 220V outlets are being installed near them.

 

What about land?

 

Each sale of a Tesla is the subsidy - one way or another your gonna pay for the infrastructure.

 

Electrek - anymore bias??

 

You speak for a percentage of Americans, but your not speaking for apartment dwellers or Condo owner/renters. Not as easy as you may think to have a charger installed.

 

What about it?

 

Lol, compared to what? Certainly not compared to hydrogen? The obstacles to condo owners and renters are unnecessarily contrived and it would take little effort for states or municipalities to force or encourage eliminating them. Any qualified electrician or homeowner can easily run a 220v line to a car charger in their garage or parking space. Same with commercial areas with parking lots. I've watched charging stations set up in my local shopping mall in one day before.

But I get it, you want us all to be subservient to centralized corporate monopolies for hydrogen and other other fossil fuel derived energy sources that you can't have anywhere there's a nearby 110v or 220v outlet or solar charging system. We're clear on where you stand in that regard.

 

No, the response is clearly an evade. With a population in the Twin Cities of around 4 million (far from cherry picking), your focus solely on early-adopter sales is just plain not constructive. Plenty is simply not true.

This topic is about addressing the masses, targeting mainstream consumers. That means a dramatic increase for infrastructure. A quick glance at the SuperCharger map, I'm seeing 3 locations offering 250kW (St. Louis Park, Hopkins, Minneapolis) and 2 offering 120kW (Robbinsdale, Oakdale).

 

Why do you do that?
You aren't being gracious by granting permission to say it may cost $100k more. Their own quote states $700-$800k.
I still want to know if that is their cost after the state help. The average state assistance for each station is over $1 million.

 

Yes, you do evade a lot.
As more plugin vehicles are bought, more charging infrastructure will be built.
The current chargers support the current owners.
The future chargers will support the future owners.

Will they always be perfectly sized? No, or course not. But adjustments will be made and growth will continue.

 

All four million people in Twin Cities area have near immediate access to 220v electricity in their place of residence... And even someone with no car repair or electrical skills at all can plug into a 110v outlet. To suggest that electric cars won't have enough access to charging facilities is irrational nonsense that makes me question what your real agenda is?

 

Fast DC charging doesn't need to be within the heart of a metro area. Then it and slower chargers can be installed in existing parking.

Hazardous, flammable liquids are different than explosive gases, and zoning regulations treat them differently. Even with approval, the site needs space for the delivery equipment and hydrogen tanks, which is a far larger investment than for chargers that some of these sites are putting in.

Guess, Minnesota will never see hydrogen cars then.

Your source says $700k to $800k, and I said in the past your selective quoting is a disservice to your cause. Anyone that has seen the source will know you are presenting selective information, and treat everything you state as suspect.

We'll just more for our public dollar with chargers than hydrogen infrastructure.

 

Read the article and what was posted. This is not an absolute. This is about right size & speed.

There's a profound difference between IF and WHEN that some are failing to recognize.

It reminds me of how some lost touch understanding the difference between want and need.