Competition is coming and disappoints

ironic, coming from an engineer

i would be willing to buy a non tesla ev, if the right arrangement and price are available. but so far, i haven't seen anything for my particular circumstances.

 

What exactly do you need from a BEV?

The actual efficiency of a BEV doesn't concern me like it would with a car carrying an ICE. For me, the high and average(maybe the low) will mean less emissions than a hybrid. Even in areas with carbon heavy grids, the BEV will likely still be better than the average new car. I'd say any BEV is better than the equivalent ICE car; the Taycan won't beat a hybrid, but it will beat any other high end ICE sports car.

I haven't looked into the emission math for the low efficiency models, but they are all models I'm not interested in for other reasons. I am curious as to how they got so low though.

 

Chevy Bolt =$10,000 used (not long ago)

My gripe are the extra $665 of taxes in just the first year .

If there was more than one quick charger in my area going north I might bite the bullet despite the fine.

 

seems like VW/Porsche/Audi's philosophy differs from Tesla in how they each allocate usable traction pack capacity.
If you carry 100's of extra Lbs of battery, in order to charge the middle of a capaciry faster ... & /or to diminish re-charge & discharge heat ... likely increasing longevity - or, so you can run balls out, without concern of power throttling back ... your trading off more weight & lower efficiency & / or higher cost.

great price - but one wonders why they didn't make it more roomy. Maybe GM didn't notice that for example the housing Industry now makes kitchen & bathroom counters nearly ½ foot higher up - because 5½ foot height is no longer within the realm of average. People are not only taller but fatter. Hey gm - more room please - or do we all have to buy your Pickups/SUV's in order to get decent room.
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yes, most ev's are still too small for this country

 

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The MPGe rating is also directly proportional to how fast the car charges for a given kw charging stall.


Mike

 

I won't be using a BEV for long trips. So gaining more range per time at a fast charger isn't a concern.

 

most n/a drivers need a bev that is consistant size wise with what they are driving now.

not some little crackerbox to drive to the train station.

 

are you talking about the Toyota/Scion iQ EV?



With it swapping 35 miles range?

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yup, that's it. a real barn burner

 

Would argue much of this is want, not need.

Many 2+ vehicle households where an econobox short-medium range BEV makes a lot of sense for a secondary vehicle.

But ultimately people buy only what they want.

 

agreed. two pick ups/suburbans will not be replaced by a bolt or leaf as the second vehicle.

but if we all lived with only what we need, we wouldn't recognize the world, and we're (almost) all guilty

 

The Model 3 isn't a crackerbox. Neither are the electric Ioniq and Niro. The ID 4 will be small from the outside, but opting for cabin space over a frunk means it, and other EVs using the platform, will be about as roomy inside as a car of size class up.

 

you have to look at the top selling car list for a clue

 

You want a pick up now?

My first post here was asking you specifically were looking a in a BEV.

 

at least as roomy as the prius, around 150 mile range at a net net around 25k

 

but if you're following the thread, i am also talking about why the competition disappoints. i like smaller vehicles, but most americans don't.
and if you can't get me in one, how are you going to turn the tide?