Tesla Set to Exceed 500K deliveries this 2020

Guess you need to reread it. It mentions vehicles.

 

Mercedes, Audi/VW and BMW all are well versed in Hydrogen Technology.
Germany is the hydrogen champion of Europe - Innovation Origins

 

California has incentives for both plug ins and FCEVs. No reason why Germany can't do the same.

The article sees to not be fully upfront on the facts.
"...hydrogen is comparatively easy to transport so can be useful as an energy carrier..."
That's a bit of a stretch. Hydrogen can act like a halogen, elements that include chlorine, which means it could corrode materials. Then it's size allows it to find ways out of its container. The needed materials and construction techniques means higher costs than for other gases, like natural gas. Though, if you can't put down underwater electric cables for whatever reason, you can ship hydrogen on boats.

"If there are existing gas pipelines, they can also be used to transport hydrogen to shore, which makes the new technology also relevant for abandoned offshore gas fields."
You can't pump hydrogen through old natural gas or oil pipelines. They won't hold up to the element. Part of the reason for the high cost for hydrogen infrastructure is that we can't use existing pipelines for it.

BMW is planning a small series of FCEV cars, using some Toyota tech, for 2022.
BMW to pilot second-generation hydrogen fuel cell drives in small series from 2022 - Green Car Congress

Earlier this year, Daimler announced they were ending hydrogen car development, but I've had some articles in my feed about their FCEV commercial trucks they are working on.
Daimler ends hydrogen car development because it's too costly - Electrek

VW is taking the same path as Daimler.
VW Thinks Hydrogen Tech Is More Suitable For Commercial Vehicles Than Passenger Cars | Carscoops

For commercial trucks, hydrogen FCEVs might succeed. There is plenty of space on the chassis for the fuel tanks, and the drive could end up lighter than a battery in a BEV truck. The needed hydrogen infrastructure isn't as extensive.

 

‘This does not contradict ‘helping Tesla’ in any way.
They are talking about producing hydrogen with power from wind generators without transmission lines to shore.
This is a wonderful way to make hydrogen for a wide variety of uses.
As the paper mentions, the hydrogen can be used in a wide variety of applications.

Use in industrial applications would be much more efficient than use in light duty vehicles. The above paper doesn’t change that.

I applaud Germany for proposing such an idea and hope they move forward with this concept.
I also applaud them for supporting Tesla as much as they have.

 

But z, that means they must have told musk to get lost. Read the article again

 

IMHO, China, Germany, and Austin want Tesla facilities so their best and brightest won’t leave and go to Fremont.

Bob Wilson

 

It has remained a justification claim of fuel cell advocates for a very long time. But they ignore grid-level battery storage as well as basic thermal dynamics. Oh well, a fuel and their money are soon parted.

Bob Wilson

 

Germany has some plots of sea that are viable for off shore wind. For one of these plots, running a transmission line to the shore isn't possible. There are abandoned gas/oil platforms in the area that can serve as locations for electrolyzers, and the hydrogen can be shipped to shore. Batteries can fill many roles, but filling ships with them for just for moving electricity from where it's produced to where it's used probably isn't the best one for them.

Germany is a little like Japan in that they import over half their petroleum and 97% of their natural gas. Which is probably why they lead Europe on the hydrogen front. The hydrogen from this proposed project can be used to offset some NG imports by blending it into the supply, even if hydrogen vehicles fail to happen. Using electrolyzers means they might be able to upgrade the sites for methane or methanol production later on.

 

Fully charged did several Orkney Island reports a couple of years ago and they too tried wind-to-hydrogen. An “A” effort but I was not impressed when I saw the tank trailer.

If the Germans made anhydrous ammonia, I could see that working much better than raw hydrogen. But best is to build wind farms close to grid batteries.

Bob Wilson

 

Who spent what on their car? Tesla cost significantly more than for a CPO Mirai at this time, with $15k fuel card and 0% interest. It’s basically free for first 3 years of ownership.

 

Mirai has been a bargain since new - at $59k before rebates and incentives it is a great deal. But as a previously owned vehicle with Toyota incentives It is a steal and you can mock all you want, but how many folks would initially have bought a Tesla without all the federal and state rebates. Mirai trailblazers are being rewarded for being the first by Toyota support and recognition by them with lots of perks. Thank you Toyota!!

 

It is fascinating how you can applaud Mirai buyers for getting such a great deal. Then, in the next sentence dismiss Tesla saying people would not have bought them without incentives.
Especially since Mirai buyers get so much more incentives than Tesla or other EVs ever did.

 

Reread what I wrote.

 

Well back in 1957 Toyota launched sales in the USA, look at Toyota now, Top selling car in the USA - Camry - 2nd largest manufacturer in the world, one of three top selling luxury vehicles in the USA. Don’t count out what Toyota can do with the Mirai and Hydrogen.

 

You're comparing used to new, and the used needed a lot of "cash on the hood."

More are buying Tesla with the federal incentive gone. How many do you think would have leased a Mirai without all those state and Toyota incentives?

The Mirai is doing much better than Hyundai's and Honda's FCEV. But how far do you think hydrogen will get when there is just three car models supporting the infrastructure? There is at least nine car companies in the US with zero plans to even offer a hydrogen model in the next few years. Is California and Toyota going to keep funneling money to the hydrogen stations? You aren't supporting them, you got your hydrogen for free.

 

Still getting the state incentives...

 

Don’t count the Europeans out, they are still interested and will probably wait and see how hydrogen progresses in the USA. But BMW, Audi and other legacy makers are all watching, not to mention there trucking manufacturers are coming soon.