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2013 Prius Won't Come out of Park - P0A09

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  1. Tom Dufek

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    Hi everyone. New to the forum, but glad I found it.

    We have a 2013 Prius that is having some issues.

    When we turn the car on the message "Check Hybrid System. Park In a Safe Place" is displayed. We can shift in to neutral and that is it.

    We had it towed to the dealer and the code thrown are
    - P0A09
    - C1241
    - C1259
    - C1310

    About 4 months ago we had the Power Transistor for the power inverter replaced under a recall.

    The dealer is telling us this new issues is not related to this and they need to replace the Power Management ECU for $1200 and that this might not fix the issue but would be the first place to start.

    Wondering if this sounds right as something seems off in the answers we are getting from the dealer. Car is at 110K miles and we were considering replacing it in the next 12 months. Concerned about dropping $1200 in to a car at this stage and it not even fixing the issue.
     
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    Yikes...! I haven't heard of this one... another reason I tell people not to purchase a used Gen 3 especially with over 100,00 miles. When something goes wrong you realize how screwed you are. I know I've been there. Hopefully somebody else will chime in...
     
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    i suspect the dealer is mistaken. the warranty repair sometimes fails again. escalate this to toyota corporate. you will find the number in the warranty booklet
     
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    That was my gut instinct too. Just to confirm, you think they are mistaken because that code has to do with the Power Transistor for the Power inverter that was already replaced. Is that correct?
     
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    What is that picture of????
     
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    that's our covid social distancing exterior barn movie theatre.

    first get together is tomorrow for football, 50 degrees f. 100" projector screen, 2 propane heaters and a fire pit.:D
    (it will get more interesting as the temp drops :eek:)
     
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    Google the diagnostic tree for the P0A09 code. The other codes are just companion codes that show up when the hybrid ECU has an issue.

    If that checks out, the inverter has failed. This should be handled by Toyota. I suspect an inverter failure AFTER recall fix has been applied.
     
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    If you only lived somewhere warmer, the outdoor experience could last longer;).

    But a nice setup given the circumstances(y).
     
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    I found the link, but it won’t copy here. It’s basically a voltage check on a specified pin on the ECU, and a resistance check on the wiring between two pins on the harness. If those pass, it’s the inverter.
     
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    <sigh>
     
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    Do you have the INF code to go with that P0A09? There are a couple different ones; one has to do with the NODD line and the other with the VLO line. It would be frustrating out there with a multimeter chasing the wrong thing.

    Also, you'll probably want to skim the section in the manual for P0A08-264 even though that's not the code you have, because that's where the diagrams and circuit theory are for the converter operation and the NODD and VLO circuits.
     
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    79 and sunny here tomorrow........(y)
     
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    Next year I'll augment the rest of the backyard with some more entertainment areas;).

    But at least the artificial grass is done:):

    01F8152E-81D2-420E-A21C-5A7C23D0625E.jpeg 6CAA9044-EE57-4593-BFAE-5263765E1ABB.jpeg

    Right at the cusp of still keeping it open at 70 F today(y).
     
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    I do not. Those were just the ones that the dealer gave me. Both the NODD and the VLO are related to the inverter though correct? Their diagnosis of a failed Power Management ECU seems off.
     
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    Awesome. I'll give this a look and see if i can get a pass on the ECU.
     
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    Both NODD and VLO are circuits through which the Power Management Control ECU controls and monitors the DC/DC converter.
     
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    Got it. So since those circuits are running through the PMC ECU that is likely what is leading the dealer to suggest replacing it. Is it common (or alternatively, unusual) for this particular ECU to fail?
     
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    I would get a used ECU if that's it.... plenty of them out there for the hatchback. It might need to be flashed...I don't know. That's about the only thing that hasn't went out on my v.
    Do you have a v? It just says a Five in you bio..... The v and the hatchback use different computers.
    Engine Computers for 2013 Toyota Prius for sale | eBay
     
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    Yep. It's a hatchback.
     
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