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These are not EV’s that’s why.

Lots of performances stuff for the Miata (Miata is far from fast in stock version) Hellcat is fast but can always be modded to be faster.

That’s were you are mistaken, it’s not fixing but making it your own. Who wants to be seen in the same looking Tesla as Joe down the street. Built not bought.

I would get sick of having to fill up every few days with regular driving. many here have cited not having to get gasoline as often as a perk for getting a hybrid like the Prius. The hydrogen crowd pushes that the public will accept it easier because it is just like what they are use to, but much of that public are happy when they has to fuel up less often, or not at all. Weak argument, fueling up is not that difficult and is probably less of a headache then forgetting to plug in the night before and have no charge in the morning before leaving for work.

says who??

I'm sure all the rims for the Camry will fit the Mirai.
How will it do without the subsidies, is the question. Part of the Prius tanking is that people are getting Primes for less.

 

What car are you speaking of? Prius or Prime?

 

Does the Mirai come with four cinderblocks for those who don't live in central and southern California?

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Again you keep repeating the same nonsense. Why would you buy a Mirai if you don’t have Hydrogen available for purchase in your area yet?

 

10 more years 10's of Tbousands all across the nation - no doubt. That's what they said
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Not everything goes as planned. Doesn’t mean it won’t happen.

 

Liquid hydrogen is easier to handle. it is also cheaper to transport if you don't have a pipeline.

Some of the commercial FCEV truck concepts use liquid. Presumably the venting won't be an issue as they can have more insulation for the tanks, and will spend more time on the road.

Nothing stopping them from modding a Camry hybrid into PHEV, or just getting one of the Primes.

The Stanford link you posted in one of these threads.

Their modelling of integrated renewable energy(wind, solar) and hydrogen production by electrolysis could make renewable hydrogen competitive in some niche markets today, but it was looking to be 10 years before it reaches the same cost as hydrogen made by steam reformation of natural gas.

 

On gas, they're basically the same.

 

That certainly isn’t true.
You do not have to drive a Prius slowly to achieve over 600 miles from a tankful of fuel.

I’d like to put that myth to bed once and for all.

The above figures were achieved compliments of very hot weather in London - basically during an extended heatwave (23c at 5.24am in the morning in August 2020).

This was all at commuting speeds in London - keeping to the speed limits (true GPS speeds) for about 50% of the journey, and travelling slightly faster than most vehicles in the afternoon on the return journey.
Hypermiling was employed - but not at the cost of holding traffic up or driving slowly! Perish the thought.

There was no driving slowly or holding up the traffic - and all this in an a relatively vintage 2008 Prius Hybrid.

Fun fact: air conditioning was offline due to gas running out (now sorted and fully operational).
All windows were down during this epic record breaking (for me that is) 68.1mpg / 641 miles commute period - that surprised me!!!.

I guess this vehicle gets much better aerodynamics during hot weather - and the HSD runs fully optimised in hot weather too! There was no prolonged traffic congestion either - which certainly helped.

There was also 1.5 litres of gas still left in the tank! I could have made 650 miles but didn’t want to risk it for logistical refuelling reasons.

All UK mileage!


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Time to get a Gen 4 then. That is certainly BS for the Gen 4 Prius.

 

And Imperial Gallons which are larger than US ones.

 

It is 56.7mpg using a standard gallon. The fuel bladder was only on US, maybe North American, Prii. So the tank held more fuel in total.

I never ran the tank down so low, so can't say if I what my actual tank range is, but got better MPG during nice weather.

The point remains that stopping to refuel is a chore that delays you from getting home or where ever you are going, and most people are just happy to reduce how often they have to do so. Hydrogen cars would increase that.

 

Mirai only takes a few minutes to fill up a tank from empty to full. Even with the fastest charging station, it will still take anywhere from 45 minutes to 1 hour 30 minutes to fully charge a Tesla. That means a hydrogen fuel-cell car can make a quick pit stop. But with the statements above it sounds like a new Prius that gets 600 plus MPG beats out all EV’s. So Prius is still King of the road.

 

But not NEARLY as much as EVs.

 

covid has impacted my driving. I'd probably have stopped 10 times at a super charger without it, but as it is I've had one 45 minute stop. All other charging was done at home or work or occasionally while shopping or at the park taking no time at all (those L2 chargers actually are more convenient than normal parking often). This is in 23 months of ownership. I guess that means I've averaged a little less than 2 minutes a month charging.

Hydrogen? Well there is one research station in my town about 20 minutes from me, not convenient and I would not be able to make any trips as long as my 300 mile bev. I've found charging is much more convenient than filling with gasoline. In northern california, in norway, in many places hydrogen has gone down, they need to spend a lot more per station to make them reliable, which means they never are likely to make it to texas or much of the US.

I have filled with gas in those 23 months. A car in nz, a few cars in atlanta, one in california, all my long trips I've flown to but one.

 

As I've repeatedly said, hydrogen cars should be PHEVs. Do most or all of your in-town driving on electricity sourced at your home, do most or all of your out-of-town driving on hydrogen sourced on the road.

EVs are fine in town. Heck, the 6kWh in my Prius Prime handles 98% of my in-town driving. But out-of-town, I'm not willing to wait more than 10 minutes for a fuel up and I'm not willing to drive out of my way or miss destinations for one either. Both are required for EVs.

This is why EVs of today make no sense for me. They have way too much range for in-town driving and not nearly enough range or charging speed for out-of-town driving.

 

That was 600 miles per TANK not per GALLON...

 

Yep .... drive SLOWLY ..... and you get a range like THIS (US miles/gallons)

but in fuel cell cars - that'll just mean you're now over 700 miles away from getting towed back to a good 30-minute refueling wait, if 1 or two 2 cars filled up right before you. Maybe it's a good thing that there are so few hydrogen cars, it makes that kind of longer wait less likely. But compared to charging electric? 99% of driving is within the range what electric car drivers nornally do. And - if you do have to drive 250 or 300 miles? You're going to need a 20 or 30 minute break for nature or something to eat or stretch or all three.
Maybe in 10 years tho ......
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Are you all working under the miscomprehension that plug ins have to be taken to special charging stations?

The only car maker listening is SAIC. Their Roewe 950 fuel cell is a plug in, but it appears its total range would be around 175 miles under EPA testing.

 

If you're out on the road, how else are you going to charge the battery in an EV or PHEV other than using gas in the PHEV?