SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

Any research funded by NIH grants should be available in the US with low markup since the US taxpayers already paid for the research. Overseas sales should command a higher markup.
Universities using government grant research to start high profit companies using that research is morally wrong in my opinion.

 

I agree, where's my cut?

 

unfortunately, many states seem to be 'trickling up', including right here in good old ma.

some school systems have already postponed in class learning due to spikes.

locally, police raided a back to school alcohol rave with estimated 150 high schollers about to go back to class.

 

Excellent post sharing technical data about vaccines. Perhaps it might help to list the various virus vaccines by mechanism used?

• polio - there was a notorious failure in the earliest when vaccines initiated polio
• smallpox - we're aware of the 'cowpox' but what was last used
• tropical - not necessarily viral but Yellow fever and other disorders

Thanks,
Bob Wilson

 

it's gonna be a long road to herd immunity...

 

Here is one take on the notorious Cutter incident on a killed-virus polio vaccine (repost from earlier PC thread):

The big polio vaccine blowup happened from Salk's "killed virus" vaccine, due to manufacturing and inspection failures at Cutter Laboratories, the smallest of four companies making the product. The products made at the three larger companies did not display this problem. (Though some indicate Wyeth also had some problems.)

After Sabin's "attenuated virus" vaccine was proved out, it became the vaccine of choice in 1961. It was cheaper, easier to administer (orally, not by injection), and even produced some 'contact immunity' in close un-immunized people. But in rare cases the virus would reactivate in the gut and cause the disease.

An improved version of Salk's killed virus injected vaccine was licensed in 1987, and has become the vaccine of choice in the U.S. But worldwide, both are still in use, each with its own advantages. The Sabin oral type remains far cheaper, and a better choice for mass immunizations in developing regions.

The Cutter Incident: How America's First Polio Vaccine Led to a Growing Vaccine Crisis

 

my doc sent out an email to get your flu shot early. i asked when can i come in? their reply, we don't have it yet.

 

Try a drugstore .

Or even Walmart.

Mask up though .

 

Costco

 

We went to Walgreens Monday and got our flu shots. For once, they had both the under and over 65 versions.

Everyone is adamant about getting it done ASAP this year.

 

yep .... masks .... slowing the herd. checking Sweden stat's - just a day or so ago, no deaths & no new cases.


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Sweden is not the US.
The government and health officials there made all the same recommendations; working from home, social distancing, less people in restaurants, etc., as the rest of the world. They just didn't hard enforce it, though they may have shut down some restaurants. Their people trusted the authorities, and followed the advice.

Compared to their neighbors that did enforce a shutdown, Sweden did not fare well. In deaths per million; the US ranks 11th, Sweden ranks 13th, Denmark ranks 60th, Finland ranks 78th, and Norway ranks 87th. Sweden's economy decline as much as those neighbors.
Sweden & Coronavirus -- 'But What about Sweden?' Well, Let's Take a Look over There . . . | National Review

And Sweden is still far from herd immunity. A month ago, only 15% of their population was showing antibodies. That is lower than the 40% their officials were predicting, and too low for herd immunity.
Sweden's COVID Policy Didn't Create Herd Immunity

 

wegmans has a drive through on october 3rd, that might be the ticket

 

that's true, but the point was that the people that would most likely die, did so upfront, meaning the most sickly and elderly. It's a theory that masks simply slow the inevitable ..... not taking into account overcrowding in hospitals and such which we are now past .

whether or not some number below 40% is real or not is unknown, because not everyone goes in for testing. Those untested could be another 50% imune already. Or not. Lots of unknown variables that we can assume one way or the other. But as it stands, they're raw data (graph) looks like they have pretty much close to zero'ed out. Next unknown will be whether it goes back up again.
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