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Transmission Leak - Not the axle seal

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by Andrew Pierce, Aug 14, 2020.

  1. Georgios

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    Cant tell from that angle I see red goop but in the picture its in the top of the picture so if its dripping down there your pic is upside down and poor.

    Get the iphone photo magnifier app for you phone you will be able to zoom into that area clearly and take a lighted clear picture then at exact same angle take a zoom out pic so we can see the perspective of that shot.

    Cant tell where your at angle wise.

    Did you do some very high revving incident before it started leaking? Like your hybrid battery is getting very tired and with all the mountains you have to super rev the motor all the time and revving the snot out of the engine all the time?

    Maybe some fluid got blown out of the vent? The trans in this car is super bullet proof if maintained.

    Never heard of a trans leak on this car except from beat up inner shaft diff seal. Put a big piece of cardboard on the ground under the car not near the cat though to catch a leak.

    My 07 doesn't leak a drop of anything except ac condensate.
     
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    Oh I have definitely gone down the rabbit hole, but I enjoy this stuff as well. Thanks for the ideas and encouragement. Your idea to clean everything up and
    We have plenty of ups and downs in Vermont, so it has had a lot of stress, but nothing to the point of where it would be revved to the extreme.

    I will try to take a better photo. This perspective was me under the front of the car, legs under the grill and looking directly up from where the two axles come in (to the left and right). The photo is the same view I had, so I am not sure how it can be upside down. I only have ramps, so may not be able to get zoomed out much more.

    In the video posted above your post, it does appear to be the shift control actuator. That is a black plastic cover, but I cannot find anyone else documenting having fluid leak from there.

    Either way, I will eventually get to the bottom of this :) either from poking around or from a mechanic. I will be sure to update this thread because I assume you all are as curious as I am and genuinely like figuring stuff out. Thanks!
     
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    I looked at your video again and yes you have some weeping going on there. Just not that familiar with the top of the trans never seen a picture of that area with the inverter out. I do know the vent is right at the top of the trans where it meets the engine.

    I looked at the video Georgios posted at 1:25 pause it in the center of the picture you can see a hollow copper colored small tube poking out of the top of the trans about 4 inches from the mating edge of the trans/engine. I think that's the vent. It may help to take the air cleaner box off and get in there and move some hoses around with a flashlight.

    I have a Craftsman $99 lighted borescope camera that would work perfectly for this operation. here's a photo of it in the spark plug well of my 07 looking for weeping oil and found some. You would be able to find that leak quick with that bad boy. Model number in the picture. Surprised none of the mechanics have one.

    If you go to 7:38 I think is what you are calling the shift actuator there taking the cover off? Parking brake limiter in there they say.

    I don't know never saw any of this in person.

    The parking pawl limiter cover has fluid in that area maybe the cover bolts are loose?

    I would try tightening up any bolt I could get to as far up as you can go cant lose?

    if I was you I would somehow degrease that whole area in your picture wash it off good so you can see progressive leakage. Its all pretty wet back there in that one area.

    Good Luck!.
     

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    Btw, Im from VT too. My folks had a summer camp in Plymouth Notch in the sixty's not far from Woodstock. I lived in Ludlow and Bennington and Arlington. Ludlow was cool instead of PT in school they would take you to Okemo for the afternoon free, I learned how to ski there.

    Now its huge and hundreds of million dollar homes.

    I was in 4th grade in Arlington the day Kennedy got shot.Teacher came in crying and sent us home early we all went crazy on the bus so happy to get out of school just a bunch of Little jackasses. I came home all happy and got my butt beat when i got home my Dad was a big Kennedy fan. Never saw my dad cry before.

    We lived about a mile from Norman Rockwell's house & studio. They have a really cool NR museum in Arlington. Been there a few times.

    Next to my grandfather and namesake who was a semi famous artist too Norman is my favorite.
     
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    That is too funny, I live in Manchester and work in Arlington!
     
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    A bit more to update on the fact finding mission of where this leak is coming from. I took edthefox5's recommendation and invested in a borescope. A really cheap wifi version I found on Amazon. Anyway, here are the images from the first attempt.

    The perspective is on my back, looking straight up at the transaxle. The black plastic cover I was talking about is at the top. I cleaned everything up best I could and followed up from there.

    This is the section of the transaxle directly above the drivers side CV axle. You can see the boot in the lower section of these images for frame of reference. Seems like a failed gasket maybe?

    First image is zoomed all the way out. Second is the same location just zoomed in a bit more. Third photos is moving the camera over to the left more (more towards the drivers side front tire).
     

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    Hard to tell what I'm looking at... Is there any way you can get a diagram of the transmission and engine and point to exact spot these pics are showing?

    Also my latest thoughts:

    Is that the motor/trans mount right next to this leak and could that mount be damaged in some way that increased the vibrations that lead to the gasket failing?
     
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    Here is a screenshot from a YouTube video I found.
    The circled portion is where I believe I have the camera pointed (from below the vehicle looking up, of course)

    Good thought on the mount, that could be. We have a ton of pot holes in Vermont and this is a daily commuter.

    *Note on this video, it is of the park motor (shift control actuator), I am not sure that is what is leaking or if that gear even gets fluid...it is just the best view I could find that matches what I am looking at with the black plastic cover still on. All other videos of a transaxle break down seem to have this already removed.

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    Here is the full video for reference:

     
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    Awesome, getting a much better sense of it now... That pic where you circle the problem area makes me wonder if the leak may coming from further under that black cover and not in the place that's most visible.
     
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    Yup, I agree. I cannot find any report of a leak in this area of the transaxle. Or of the park motor itself leaking fluid (I do not know if it even gets fluid), but that is near the top and could make sense if it was coming from there and running down...especially since it shifts into park rather hard.

    But, oh well...a few more weeks until it goes into the hybrid specialist and they will get to the bottom of it. I will update this thread with the findings.
     
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    I've seen you tube videos on removing and replacing the parking break actuator... That system is not bathed in trans fluid but is a separate system and if I were in your situation I'd remove, clean and inspect the actuator to determine that the source of the problem/leak damage is not related to that in any way.
     
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    Miss the days of trout fishing in the Battenkill in Arlington. Lovely town. Is the Candle mill still there?

    I wonder if the case bolts came loose? I would get a torque wrench and start hitting those bolts. They have a much lower torque tightness then I first thought.

    There's a post from another thread where someone posted torque setting on those bolts. I'll see if i can find it.
     
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    Thank you! Appreciate the help and ideas. It’s definitely worth a shot!

    The Candle Mill was recently renovated and it a music venue now. They did a great job and awesome spot for a small concert (preCovid obviously)
     
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    Roundabaout still in Manchester? I saw some awesome acts there back in the 70's.

    Also take the air cleaner box out and use your bore scope from the top to look under the inverter.
    Its hard to get a perspective on your photos.
     
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    edthefox5 wins, it was the parking pawl limiter cover. Confirmed with the hybrid specialist I was finally able to visit. Good news is this is a quick and easy part, once you get to it. Bad news is actually getting to it, there is no room to work on this without dropping the transaxle and possibly motor. So it's almost all labor and no parts. Which is good I guess.

    Strange place for a seal to fail, but at least we know what we are dealing with. Best case scenario, 4 hours of labor, worst case 10 hours. A hell of a lot better than the $5K the dealer quoted me to replace the transaxle altogether. It's a shame that the dealerships will not work on stuff like they used to, they refused to diagnose this further than "needs a new transaxle".

    If you want to see this cover, it is in this video at the 7:20 mark.

     
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    I thought there was a way to remove this part without pulling the engine? I saw a youtube video that did that once. You might want to double check before you spend so much money on such a small leak?
     
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    Yes, you are right! That was just a worst case scenario if all else failed I guess (I misunderstood them when they were explaining it to me). Anyway, car is all set now. They got to this part and replaced this gasket in 3.5 hours of labor. These guys are an amazing shop, if any of you live in or around Vermont, Country Tire Hyrbid/EV Center comes highly recommended. In total, to fix this transaxle leak, it is 95% less than what the dealership quoted.
     
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    Excellent.

    You may want to get the trans fluid changed now since they worked on an area and some dirt may have gotten in there.
    Check the dump bolt magnet for any metal. Then you will know its full at the fill hole and your basically then good for the life of the car.

    I have changed mine 3 times since I bought my 07 brand new and found after you get the original break in nastiness fluid out its good for its life. This trans is very easy on the fluid its a precision masterpiece of engineering IMHO.

    Takes 4 quarts of WS fluid. if you can jack up the front of the car its easy to do it yourself.

    And if you can jack up the front of the car I'd catch the ecoil under the dash too. You inject coil cleaner back up the condensate drip hose. makes the car smell much better and keeps the ecoil clean and the drip tube clean.

    Kool it on amazon.com Comes with the rubber injection hose.
     
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    ok everyone. This is one of the few gen2 Prius issues that will eventually rear its ugly little head to everyone. My transmission had been leaking, but the leak had progressed, soaking the rear of the tranny and my driveway. I am assuming that the internals really fling up the fluid to the parking rod area, because I had cleaned the area, and shortly thereafter, it had soaked the entire area, like I had never cleaned it. I can honestly say my transmission has had a hell of a tranny flush over the last year of topping it off. The job was not that hard, but space is limited and your curse adjectives will be plentiful. No one has listed how to fix it so here we go. I am starting with the removal of the inverter. I removed the inverter once before searching for the leak from above and of course the top of the tranny was dry. After doing this, I can see how this can be done with the inverter in place; if you are good at removing the top bolt listed below, go for it. I am not including pictures cause the original people provided them above.

    Pull the ORANGE disconnect from the hybrid battery. KILL the voltage before doing anything with the inverter BEFORE it KILLS YOU.
    NOTE---I let any residual power left in the system drain; letting the car sit for an hour. I also tested the high voltage connections for any power and I found none.
    Remove the inverter (I am assuming everyone knows how to do this, not that hard just intimidating).
    ANOTHER way I could see is to remove the wiper cowling so I could get to the top bolt, leaving the inverter in place.
    Remove the parking motor cover revealing the motor innards. Spin the motor innards until you hear the parking rod click (car is in neutral), remove the motor innards. You may need the motor innards to spin the parking rod to get the parking motor assembly off.
    Remove the big black plastic cover (three bolts). There's one bolt on top (why I removed the inverter) and two more; one on each lower corner of the big black cover.
    Remove the three bolts holding the parking motor assembly.
    MAYBE-----Put the motor innards back into where it normally goes and turn it clockwise and counter clockwise.
    Turn the parking motor assembly clockwise and counter clockwise and pull towards the rear of the car all at the same time until it comes out.
    There is an o ring on the parking motor assembly, mine was hard and broke apart.
    Install new o ring; lube o ring a little and get ready to put it back into the transmission.
    Place the parking motor assembly back into its hole.
    While applying pressure on the parking motor assembly; towards the front of the car, turn the parking motor assembly clockwise and counter clockwise until it pops in.
    Reassemble in reverse of above.
    Not sure if this was important, but after putting the motor innards back into the the parking motor assembly, I turned the motor innards clockwise until the parking rod clicked and you could not turn the motor innards any further. The vehicle is now back in park.

    You can now clean everything nice and clean cause you have------No more leaks. The o ring was 10 bucks from Toyota for a 1 dollar part. A$$holes.....