SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

I remember my mom always said, "Live and learn," and always understood what the implied alternative was.

 

Unfortunately the US numbers could have been much lower had they not required infected people stay in senior care facilities in some states.
Excluding those deaths the US numbers look much better.

 

agreed. the data is misleading, to say the least.

this 'second wave' thing bothers me, because it is such a small amount of people. we keep reading about it in asia, and it's like, oh my, 6 people confirmed positive yesterday!

i wish we all had florida's numbers. or at least those of us with higher.

 

I would add MS (and pretty much Dixie.) In Alabama, I follow progress down to the county level. Madison County is doing OK but Franklin and Marshall have meat processing plants. Franklin has an RV manufacturer and at least one case reported. There is a Limestone correctional facility, low level miscreants and so far, no reports of a breakout there.

Local news indicates they have a small number of hospitalized cases but no reports of saturation. However, the more rural counties around us don't have our density of hospitals and physicians. Efforts to restrict the ACA (i.e., Obamacare) has decimated their clinics and hospitals.

What bothers me is 'testing'. Some public figures have claimed 'testing' causes cases. This is public health practices independent of the quality of tests.

Bob Wilson

 

we still need more viral testing.

'scientists warn of making assumptions from antibody test results'. we still don't know if we test positive:

1) if the test is correct

2) if we have much immunity, if any

3) if we are not contagious

 

The CDC conflated RNA (active infection) and antibody (post exposure, recovered) test numbers to make numbers of tests higher. As a consequence, we have no idea what the outcomes actually mean in terms of rising positive test numbers.

Another colossal Public Heath debacle to please the Administration rather than serve the people.

Coronavirus and CDC: Test Counting Error Leaves Epidemiologists ‘Really Baffled’ - The New York Times

 

you have to look at the state by state data. but some states are doing the same thing

 

Which makes their data less useful as well.

 

florida had a one day spike, but not a trend makes

 

I don't believe that for a second. I'm in my sixties, have high blood pressure (under medicated control), and have had heart disease. Otherwise I'm very healthy and fit. But I'm scared to death of getting Covid. If I catch it, my chances of dying are probably at least 10%.

The flu? Who cares. I could easily weather a nasty flu. It isn't going to attack my immune system and later my internal organs or create lots of blood clots like Covid can.

 

I may be wrong, but the way I read it, I think @Trollbait point is that "The flu and other infectious diseases are deadlier to those with underlying health problems (than to those without underlying health problems just as COVI-19 is). I don't think he is comparing flu and other infectious disease fatality rate to the COVID-19 fatality rate.

 

2a) how long that case-induced immunity, in any, might last. The track record with the coronaviruses that cause common colds is not encouraging. The raw numbers of cases suggests that the average person catches each common-cold-coronavirus roughly ten times during his or her lifetime, suggesting that any immunity is at best short lived.

 

Ah, I can see how it can read that way, and it better matches the rest of what was said. Sorry for the misreading.

 

I thought coronaviruses mutated too fast for a vaccine to be effective.

 

At best, that is speculation.
I’ve also heard studies that Covid-19 is a slow mutating virus.

We are still studying this thing and have lots to learn.

 

Pure speculation on my part, the ACE2 attraction of SARS_CoV-2 may be its weakness. An organic compound that attracts and decapitates or inactivates that crown spike may be a better response. Especially if it releases the deactivated head and goes after the next. A tetrahedral compound would be prefect.

Bob Wilson

 

I have also heard there are already 30 known mutations.

 

Do you mean functionally different mutations (e.g. potentially requiring different vaccines), or just the normal genetic drift that has allowed researchers to track many transmission paths?

E.g. West Coast outbreaks are mostly derived from a version that arrived direct from Wuhan, while East Coast and most of the rest of U.S. cases derive from versions that went to Europe first, hanging around there for a while before continuing on to the U.S.



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