12v battery health observation

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  1. CooCooCaChoo

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    Not talking AGM because AGM isn't the OEM on Prius. Flooded lead acid is.
     
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    Only very recently, IIRC.
    For the first 10 years or so the battery was "in cabin" and IS an AGM.
     
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    I was idly wondering how you'd bounce back on that one, lol.
     
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    This is the 4th Gen section of the forums though ...
     
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    So do ALL 4th Gen models have the old style wet cell batteries as OEM ?

    Regardless, when the original is changed out an AGM probably still is a better choice.
     
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    As long as my Aux Battery "Health" is concerned, if my "nominal" readings of current, voltage, with consideration of ambient temp. via the ScanGauge, deviate significantly from what I consider normal (and yes I watch, just out of "Techie" habit) it will be time to take a closer look. If after a couple of years more, which places the battery over 4 years of age, statistically I'd replace the battery after satisfying myself that the Charge system is operating normally. If an academic exercise is required, there is of course the option of direct connecting a (Calibrated and NIST Traceable) Datalogger directly to the battery and reading out to the ninth decimal place voltage, current and temperature. However given that I passed the age well noted in a certain Beatles Song, I am able to place this in its proper perspective, given the current state of the planet...:rolleyes:
     
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    See post #2 in this thread. The professor will explain a lot.
     
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    So i took it for a long enough drive, turned the car off, popped the hood and came back 9 hours later without the key in pocket and reran the test. So looks like it probably only charges up to about 66%. So i guess ill just keep my handheld jumper packet in the glovebox for when it decides its time to go
     

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    I would be shopping for a new battery NOW........because I don't like unexpected "adventures".

    Even if your car did come with a conventional wet cell battery from the factory, an AGM replacement would still be a better choice. Might last twice as long.
     
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    I dont think anyone has found an H4 AGM battery. There seem to be around 4-5 Wet H4 batteries with the Champion at Pepboys being the cheapest with the longest warranty. 99.74 3 year replacement
     
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    I'm really reluctant to cross the infamous Sam Spade 2, but c'mon...
     
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    TOYOTA's specification isn't for an AGM.
     
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    I'd be curious what another Gen 4 owners battery shows for voltage after about 9 hours. Im wondering if the car doesn't fully charge the battery to extend its life. I could also test this by using my
    BLACK+DECKER BM3B Fully Automatic 6V/12V Battery Charger/Maintainer
    to see if it will fully charge it. Then come back 9 hours later and rerun the test. Im assuming its safe to connect this directly to the positive and a ground point on the vehicle?
     
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    you can connect it to + and - then turn on the charger
     
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    Alright, i know newer vehicles have sensors on the cables and everything else possible so didn't know if it was no longer suggested to connected straight to the battery with the car terminals still connected.
     
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    12.4v isn't horrible, but it's more important to know what it drops to as load is applied.

    personally, i'd hang on to it, and keep the jump pack at the ready
     
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    i would also be curious to know what others are seeing. i'd be surprised if a healthybattery wasn't held around 12.6 or more.
     
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    Just a word of caution. Don't rely on a single battery tester reading for accurate measurement of the battery voltage. Yesterday, I took measurements of my PRIME's 12v battery with three devices.

    Craftsman model 82141 digital multimeter: 12.41v
    Quicklynks Battery Monitor II: 12.56v
    Ancel BA101 battery tester: 12.63v

    The difference is as much as +/- 0.22v among those three devices. I don't know which one is the most accurate.

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