SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

Cats don't get colds? Explain please, in case you are talking a different terminology?

This is news to us. And to our vets, who diagnosed one of our cats with a severe case. And to the animal shelter for which we commonly foster animals, usually kittens not yet to adoption age and weight but sometimes adults recovering from surgery or illness. They often have LOTS of cat with URIs - Upper Respiratory Infections, a.k.a. 'kitty colds'. We don't take these cases because of lack of means to isolate them from our permanent cats. They are best moved out of the shelter and into foster homes without permanent cats, until recovered.

These are not the same viruses that infect humans, so we don't worry about human <--> feline cross transmission for this class of disease.

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Dr Cathcart was not a vet, but I bet he would have given a cat with a cold more C. The difference is that the cat already makes a base amount, while humans have to consume it.

 

From what I read this is the only explanation for fast transmition, WHO just couldn't say it out loud, because they knew there were not even enough masks for medical staff, let alone for general public. If they announced that masks are the most important thing to slow down the spread there would be total chaos and medical staff would have even less of them.

Two very informative videos that I came by last week:

P.S. and stop listening to every old US/UK doctor, fact is that Asian side of the world have the latest and most informative info on the matter.

 

But the colds that ferrets get are caused by the same virus as in people.

 

According to Goat Vitamin C Production | Lypo-Spheric® Nutrients | LivOn Labs Blog ,

Clue for humans: Increase your vitamin C when you are stressed.

 

Source: Unlocking the Genetic Code of the Novel Coronavirus: How COVID-19 Made the Leap From Animals to Humans

1. “A new coronavirus associated with human respiratory disease in China” by Fan Wu, Su Zhao, Bin Yu, Yan-Mei Chen, Wen Wang, Zhi-Gang Song, Yi Hu, Zhao-Wu Tao, Jun-Hua Tian, Yuan-Yuan Pei, Ming-Li Yuan, Yu-Ling Zhang, Fa-Hui Dai, Yi Liu, Qi-Min Wang, Jiao-Jiao Zheng, Lin Xu, Edward C. Holmes and Yong-Zhen Zhang, 3 February 2020, Nature.
2. DOI: 10.1038/s41586-020-2008-3
3. “Genomic characterisation and epidemiology of 2019 novel coronavirus: implications for virus origins and receptor binding” by Prof Roujian Lu, MSc; Xiang Zhao, MD; Juan Li, PhD; Peihua Niu, PhD; Bo Yang, MSc; Honglong Wu, MSc; Prof Wenling Wang, PhD; Hao Song, PhD; Baoying Huang, PhD; Na Zhu, PhD; Prof Yuhai Bi, PhD; Prof Xuejun Ma, PhD; Prof Faxian Zhan, PhD; Liang Wang, PhD; Tao Hu, MSc; Hong Zhou, PhD; Prof Zhenhong Hu, MD; Prof Weimin Zhou, MD; Li Zhao, PhD; Jing Chen, MSc; Yao Meng, PhD; Ji Wang, PhD; Yang Lin, BS; Jianying Yuan, MSc; Zhihao Xie, BS; Jinmin Ma, PhD; Prof William J Liu, PhD; Prof Dayan Wang, PhD; Prof Wenbo Xu, MD; Prof Edward C Holmes, PhD; Prof George F Gao, DPhil; Prof Guizhen Wu, MD; Prof Weijun Chen, PhD; Prof Weifeng Shi, PhD and Prof Wenjie Tan, MD, 22 February 2020, The Lancet.
4. DOI: 10.1016/S0140-6736(20)30251-8
5. “Identifying SARS-CoV-2 related coronaviruses in Malayan pangolins” by Tommy Tsan-Yuk Lam, Marcus Ho-Hin Shum, Hua-Chen Zhu, Yi-Gang Tong, Xue-Bing Ni, Yun-Shi Liao, Wei Wei, William Yiu-Man Cheung, Wen-Juan Li, Lian-Feng Li, Gabriel M. Leung, Edward C. Holmes, Yan-Ling Hu and Yi Guan, 26 March 2020, Nature.
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Bob Wilson

 

South Korea has had the goal of thorough tracking of Covid-19 cases from the beginning so they have some good data. I read a study (I can't find it now) where they had a woman who had the virus who had recently taken a long trip on a bus. They tracked down almost everyone who had been on the bus and figured out where they were all sitting and tested them for the virus.

About 6 other people on the bus caught the virus. They were all sitting near the woman, either next to her, in the row behind her, or the row ahead of her. No one else on the bus caught it.

This confirms the '6 ft' rule (though I'd feel safer with a 12' rule. These results also go against the 'floating in the air' theory, which would have passed the virus to other people in the bus.

The South Korean experts also strongly believe that masks could have protected these people. This goes contrary to what is preached in the west, that masks should be saved for those in the medical field. In South Korea, they are striving to make sure there are masks for everyone who is out in public.

My favorite Covid-19 tracking chart site (I check this link every day), shows South Korea's cases leveling off:
91-DIVOC : Flip the script on COVID-19

 

Did someone mention a bus?

COVID-19 can transmit 4.5m in closed air-conditioned environment: study - Global Times

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973

I know about a local case where a person got infected standing 3 meters in closed space, the infected person didn't have symptoms and was not coughing.

 

The US estimates their inflection will be two weeks from now.

 

Usage of Masks &quot;Flattened&quot; Growth of Coronavirus Cases in Czech Republic

In my country wearing any kind of mask in public areas is compulsory from today on. I advise everyone to do the same even if your local authorities doesn't mandate it.

 

keep distance other people

 

some docs are starting to believe that indoors, the virus is staying in the air in sufficient quantities for anyone in that same space to be able to pick it up.

they are concerned about hospitals and supermarkets.

and masks are helpful, but eyes are also a danger.

 

i watched two men at the dump yesterday talkng to each other. they started about six feet apart, but by the time i was done, they were almost snogging.

 

A third of coronavirus cases may be ‘silent carriers’, classified Chinese data suggests | South China Morning Post

Eurosurveillance | Estimating the asymptomatic proportion of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) cases on board the Diamond Princess cruise ship, Yokohama, Japan, 2020

Iceland&#x27;s Coronavirus Testing Strategy Could Help All Of Us

Bottom line from the data cited in these references is that the proportion of asymptomatic people infected with the coronavirus is somewhere between 30-50%. As those “Silent Carriers” can have a virus load similar to symptomatic Covid-19 patients and shed viruses, they are a spread vector that is completely unmeasured and unchecked in the US. Asymptomatic virus carriers leaving hotspots like New York, Washington State, or California will efficiently spread the virus to other areas. This asymptomatic spread process should contribute to the continued exponential growth rate of Covid-19 in the US for the foreseeable future.

 

I'm not sure either part of that "goes contrary" to the other part, in practice.

If there were unlimited masks to be had, sure.

 

although, now that the truth is out, a lot more people are starting to make masks. there are even instructions on line for diy.
this all could have been advised a month ago.

 

Turn up your hearing aids so you'll keep your distance.

 

How to re-use a mask:

You hang a bunch of them in here:


and then you push the Start button here:


which fills the chamber with this stuff as vapor, to the saturation where it is just microcondensing on everything in the chamber.

Watch cat videos for eight hours.

At the end of the cycle, the machine aerates the chamber, recovers the peroxide vapor, and catalytically converts it to water and oxygen, all as described here.

You can get 20 cycles out of a mask. After around 30 cycles, the elastic straps start disintegrating when you stretch them.

I first learned about the DIY mask thing when I was talking with a friend a couple days ago, and could hear her sewing machine in the background. "What are you making?" "Masks!"

Apparently her church has a bunch of people involved. They are using a cotton fabric that she said wasn't hard to get, but the limiting factor was strap elastic, which has become hard to find in the sewing stores. She already had a bunch of elastic in her notions collection, so she was on the way to turning out 40 masks.

I imagine if the limiting factor with the peroxide resanitizing is the strap life, you could also involve people in just sewing new straps on existing masks.

I don't know if these community mask-sewing projects have any process for sanitizing the masks they produce. I could almost see wanting to send them directly to Battelle for a trip through the tank before they go to the first users. Otherwise you're kind of gambling on the COVID status of the nice community member who made your mask.

 

I've read that you can treat lung infection with hydrogen peroxide and distilled water dispersed with a vaporizer. The quantities are 1/4 teaspoon of food grade 3% peroxide and 4 cups of water, breath for about 20 minutes.

I've also heard that the local Native Americans would chew on small amounts of poison oak to develop immunity to it.

I've mentioned both to several other people, but nobody seems to be willing to check them out for me...