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Didn't she have to have multiple sailboat crews fly across the ocean to support this? Yeah, they probably "offset" their emissions, but then why didn't she just do this? Umm...showmanship?

Mike

 

Has this thread seriously degenerated into this?

 

The ad was presenting the hybrid as an electric car. While it has an EV side that helps lower fuel use, it isn't an EV in operation or other potential benefits.

Dispelling ignorance is a goal of advertising. While Toyota was doing hippy trippy Prius ads, Honda was running 'no plug' ones for the first Civic hybrid. This ad is more 'you can get an EV that doesn't plug in' than just 'no plug'. Instead of saying that owning a hybrid is just like owning an ICE, with no need to make any changes, it says you can get an EV without needing to plug in. One of those trips the BS meter, and the other doesn't.

PS: On coal heavy grids in the US, a plug in may not beat the a Prius or hybrid of similar of efficiency when it comes to carbon emissions, but they do beat every other car being bought today.

 

Good thing we don't care about the coal-powered, electrical power that runs the home and office. Yeap, the home and work 'carbon footprint' doesn't matter.

Bob Wilson

 

Let me ask you a very simple question. In the continental US, how many grids are there?

 

New Data Show Electric Vehicles Continue to Get Cleaner - Union of Concerned Scientists

 

I hope you don't see that as the answer to my question.

 

Bob, really.

That's a little overboard don't you think? I mean even here in Indiana, while we are Coal heavy, they are slated for closure. You can't simply shut down every coal plant that's currently in operation and still satisfy the energy needs at hand. It'll happen, but probably not on the timetable I'm guessing you would prefer.

Don't mean to be rude, but it's stuff like that which makes those who aren't in the "know" of everything green think of the whole movement as wacko's. Which in the end, doesn't help the cause.

 

If Wikileaks can be trusted, there appear to be 5 grids. (some of which also serve portions of Canada)

 

Three: East, West and ERCOT.


Unsupervised!

 

There are three power grids in the US - East, West, and ERCOT (Texas).

 

I think Bob’s point was everybody is screaming about how bad the grid is for EV (or EVs are because of the grid) and are ignoring the 800 pound gorillas standing in the way. Personally, I think we get carried away with pointing at EVs as some boogie man when housing and business energy consumption dwarfs whatever some EV gets, especially nowadays and not some point in the future that nobody will get right. Crap according to my spreadsheet, my A/C uses more energy in three months than my PP uses all year.


Unsupervised!

 

Your question wasn't pertinent to what I was saying about carbon emissions from the grid, which is linked to the fuel mix for electricity production. For that, the EPA breaks the physical grids up into 26 regions of the eGRID.

Power Profiler | Energy and the Environment | US EPA

 

Very little energy crosses these lines. There are only small DC-DC links between them in a small number of places. Within each section, it's literally impossible to tell where the energy you consume came from.

 

Yes, it was.

But energy crosses those boundaries every day, meaning they have little meaning when it comes to determining where the energy you consume was actually generated.

Power Profiler | Energy and the Environment | US EPA[/QUOTE]

If those regions defined where energy was generated, the North Pacific Intertie (to name one of thousands) wouldn't exist. But it does.

 

If those regions defined where energy was generated, the North Pacific Intertie (to name one of thousands) wouldn't exist. But it does.

[/QUOTE]Take it up with the EPA. They are the ones using eGRID to determine up stream carbon emissions for all plug ins on Fueleconomy.gov, and it is what gets used by sources providing local mix of electricity sources.