Question for 2012-2015 PIP Owners

PIP’s Have lithium ion batteries.


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Page 614 of owner's manual (downloadable from Toyota Tech Info site, manuals section) has this:



What are Watts again, volts times amperes? Would kilowatt hours then be:

3.7x21.5x56/1000=4.45

Not sure.

 

4.4 kwh, usable 2.7kwh lithium battery
Even when "depleted" it works much better than standard battery

 

Quite similar to the Prime other than size and refinements. It so far appears to be a terrific battery other than the cold weather hit all Lithium-ion batteries take. Also, take note of @4est's important comment that not all of the capacity is usable. That's SOP for Toyota to preserve battery life.

 

no. usable depends on the health of the battery and ambient temp, but there is always an unusable reserve at the top and bottom like all toyota ev's.

when the wall charge runs out, the capacity is similar to hv operation of gen3 lift back.

two caveats: it will no longer let you into ev mode when there is no wall charge as the lift back sometimes allows.
and, the battery does have the capacity to fully regen if you were coming down a mountain or similar.

where i live, in the flat lands, i have never been able to regen back into wall charge capacity area.

 

2.7 usable as ev then goes into hv mode.
So i guess it uses the rest of the battery for hv mode

I did manage to fully regen the battery once, while coming down from a mountain
All other cars were using (some) gas. Only me was gaining mileage

 

I don't live in a flat area.
But I'd say about 22 km

 

Coming down off Clingman's Dome in the Smokies a couple years ago in my PiP, i went from fully depleted at the top to completely full and using engine braking before I reached bottom. It just depends on how big the hill is.

 

EV power is good enough. You have to rev up the ICE a lot in order to get the same power. So going uphill is much nicer in EV compared to HV
Of course the Ampera (Volt) I too have is much more powerful
But driving the Plug in Prius in HV feels much more different compared to a regular Prius. It's just like a regular prius with a full battery. EV power is much higher, even in HV mode.
Also the HV battery seems to last more than regular Prius (depletes slowly)
And on long trips I get much better mileage (I dont understand why)
But the acceleration is worse, the regular Prius seems much more quick to 100kph

 

if you have any interest at all, browse the threads in this forum. mine is perfect for me, but not for everyone. depends on your needs.
prime is much better in many ways, but the raised hatch floor has kept me from switching.

depending on your driving conditions, ev miles are generally reported between 8 and 16 or so.

there's no heat pump, which is a major bebefit to prime, along with battery size and many other improvements.

 

"Fully charged" is about 85% SOC, and EV mode disengages (ICE starts) at 23% SOC. Then in hybrid mode I think it can do down to around 18% SOC (based on my own observations).

85-23= 62% is the usable capacity in EV mode
62% of 4.45 kWh is 2.76 kWh
So I'd guess the usable capacity including HV mode is closer to 3 kWh, which is often also noted as the total usable capacity for this battery.

 

by HV I ment Hybrid mode

you should try the car first. As you have experience with regular Prius, you'll feel the difference immediately.
I have a friend with a regular Prius and after only the first 10m he already said it's a different feeling already

 

Why do you think the chemistry of the battery matters?
The battery chemistry just determines the size/weight and longevity for the most part.
What matters, from a driving perspective, is the capacity (kwh) and the charge and discharge rate when driving.

Mike