Bought a 2012 For $700

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  1. douglasjre

    douglasjre Senior Member

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    How did you source an engine?
     
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    I bought it from B&R Auto Wreckers.
    They shipped it right to me.
     
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    So I put about 5 miles on the new to me engine and guess what... White Smoke started blowing out the tail pipe.
    They sold me a engine with a bad head gasket!!!:mad:

    Look at the Milkshake that came out.
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    YUMMY!!!


    So after draining the OIL/COOLANT mix, I popped of the valve cover.
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    The Yard that sold me the engine said they have another one with 143,000 miles on it. (and Who knows if it will fail soon)
    No thanks because this one has 93,005 miles :rolleyes:

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    So I popped of the Head.

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    I have some cleaning to do.
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    Took of the gasket and the engine block looks clean
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    --------Where did the Head Gasket Fail???---------
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    So Today at work, I ordered myself a NEW head gasket and head bolts.
    Good thing I love working on cars!!! :D:ROFLMAO::D
     
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    Did they offer any money back? Years ago when my former employer(a major parts store chain) sold salvage engines thru a now out of business supplier, they would refund a percentage of the cost under certain conditions. I got a customer refunded 50% and they got to keep the engine.
     
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  5. Cosmo Tigato

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    I checked the heads with a strait edge and it's Perfectly FLAT (y):D;)

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    They asked me for pictures of all the receipts and video of the car running.
    Have not heard back after the initial call where they said they have another engine.
     
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    I think it would be much easier just to replace the head gasket. And cheaper.
    This is the chance you take getting a used engine. Maybe the head is cracked.
    I had a 1990 Probe with a cracked head. Took 2 head gasket replacements to find it.
    I sealed it with JB Weld! As long as I kept it at 60mph and below, no problem.

    I hope you can get it up and running soon.
     
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    Looks like a cleanup and reassemble. I zoomed in on the gasket pics and I can’t see anything that looks like an obvious failure point.
     
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    Just looks like a old flat gasket, the ridges are flattened and lots of carbon on the cylinder edges of the gasket.
     
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    Just inspected the Head again, this time for cracks, there are none. :D
     
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    What is the best way to clean out all that carbon?
    Brake Clean and a Wire brush? or Brass Brush?
    or just scrape it off with a blade at 90 degrees? (Like the same way I clean the matting surfaces)
     
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    There was No Oil in the coolant.
    There was No Oil in the cylinders.
    There was Coolant in the Oil.
    There was coolant coming out as White vapor from the exhaust.

    I had 4 Quarts of oil in the engine before start up.
    And when I drained the oil, there was just a tad under 4 quarts. (Update: I found the missing Oil when I turned the now removed head on it's side, :D)
    Strange, how much coolant does it take to make the oil look like coffee?
    a teaspoon of coolant to 4 quarts of oil? or a cup of coolant?

    HOW ELSE CAN YOU GET COOLANT IN THE OIL BESIDES A BAD HEAD GASKET???
    There are no cracks in the head nor the block.

    I am sure its a bad gasket, because of the white vapor from exhaust and coolant in the oil, just can't find a fail point on it.
     
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    Cracked cylinder? Cold weather straight water from prior owner?
     
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    You may not SEE the crack. You have to have the head pressure tested.
    That's how I found mine. I couldn't see it. They marked it for me.
    It is when the head gets hot it opens up. If it's cracked by an exhaust valve it's blowing out
    the exhaust.
    Maybe the egr cooler is cracked and leaking? Cylinders don't look like coolant is getting into them.
    It usually cleans out the carbon.

    Maybe there was water sitting in the exhaust system and it just got hot and blew out?
    How did the engine run?
     
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    That makes sense, that you can't see a hair line crack and that there could be water in the exhaust. but.........
    The engine was running bad (felt like misfires and loss of power)
    Plus there was Coolant in the oil.
    I don't think I ran the engine long enough for the coolant to clean out the pistons. (After the engine lost power and some white smoke was visible from the rear view mirror, that was a mile from home, where I turned around and put it back in my garage)

    How would a bad EGR put coolant in the oil? (Unless the PCV was bad and some how sucking in and the EGR was letting coolant in to the manifold, two failures that are highly unlikely)

    but......

    A EGR leaking coolant into the manifold could cause white smoke but not put coolant into the oil.
    Could a bad PCV valve pull coolant (if present in the manifold) into the crankcase?
     
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    If the gasket is good and the head is not warped, the next suspect is a crack. Sometimes those are very difficult to find, requiring specialized techniques as discussed here:
    Crack Detection and Correction - Engine Builder Magazine

    Those techniques were developed because the crack(s) are not always detectable with careful visual inspection.
     
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    If it was run hot before you got it, a cracked block is another possibility.
     
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    "There was No Oil in the coolant."
    That is why I suggested egr cooler.
    Perhaps you meant to say there IS water in the coolant?
     
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