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fwiw can I double like? CR 2019 covering their ba$$es lol

 

FYI:

• Traded Prius Prime for Tesla Model 3
• No other car is even slightly attractive

The Prime is the BEST of the Prius family.

Bob Wilson

 

I don't think Tesla has sold a million cars yet.
But I'm 99.99% sure that they'll hit one million EVs sold in the US before anyone else.

Mike (17 months with a Model 3 and I've never been stranded yet. How do I make a You tube video of that?)

 

just stand next to your car with a big $hit eating grin for a few minutes

 

With this kind of cash, going to other startups .... will these guys even stand a chance?

Rivian Gets $1.3 Billion Investment in Electric Truck Venture - The New York Times
Electric truck startup Rivian raises another $1.3B in investment - Roadshow
then ... consider their comparative non-existent infrustracture? no thanks.
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You would have been if you had driven your Model 3 where I have driven my Prime.

 

Bob you need to update your cars sub heading

 

Can you explain what you mean by that? Tesla has charging stations within a 100 miles of of 98% of the lower 48 states?

 

I've driven my Prime over 600 miles between charging stations twice, and over 500 miles about 6 times. Once I had to back-track 280 miles because the highway was closed due to a forest fire. There were no chargers in the area. Of course, with a 600 mile range and gas stations everywhere, there was no problem in the Prime.

 

The EV advocates just don't seem to get it. 100 miles between fill-up locations is preposterous IMNSHO. Heck I often choose where to fuel on interstate runs by how far off the route the station is, rejecting the option if it is more than a few hundred yards. That is yards, not miles. With efficiency, my wife and I can do a shared pump and double dump in well less than 15 minutes and there has never been a time in 60 years of driving (well except the odd/even gas shortage days of long ago) when I had to wait more than 15 minutes for a pump to be vacated. The only time I ever felt fuel anxiety was just after a hurricane when everyone was rerouted away from the SC/NC border off I95 on a 300 mile detour. The little towns still had gas stations just not enough gas for all the rerouted traffic. Would there have been a charger?

I take 60 mile one way trips weekly, 250-300 mile trips quarterly and occasional 800 mile trips broken by an overnight stay. I stay in cheap or moderately priced motels and haven't seen a charger of any kind at any of them. I see fueling at the next intersection ads along every interstate, only once have I seen a charging station ad. Yea, I know, you get that info over the air. Another distraction.

I fill up and see 500+ miles to empty and could go another 80 after that if I had too. Even 300 mile range and start looking at 200 doesn't appeal. I lose 50 miles of range in winter, EV's lose maybe the same percentage but that just reduces the usable EV range before you have to look to an even shorter figure.

Call me lazy, entitled, whatever. But those are the standards the proposed solution to my transportation needs will be compared against.

 

Absolutely.

Add to that the *requirement* for handling of emergencies such as road closures and, if you're smart, you never let range drop below 150 miles. If you start with 270, that means you can't go anywhere and maintain a margin of safety, especially in the winter when that range of 270 is more like 180, or if you're towing, which can reduce range by 2/3rds. I've driven across Kansas getting 8mpg towing a boat in 40mph winds. Not a real problem when you have a 42 gallon tank and the ability to stop every 15 miles and refill in 10 minutes.

Unexpected trips can also be an issue. I once had to jump in the car and drive 600 miles starting at 10 in the morning, get to my destination by that evening, and I had no way to know about that trip in advance (a family member had passed and the funeral was the next morning). It was the middle of winter and I hit 50+mph headwinds and snow-packed roads on the way. One fueling stop later - for 5 minutes - and we were at the destination.

 

There's over a million EV drivers on the road in the US today... Your driving habits are unique to rural living... People in metropolitan areas take much shorter drives and usually in traffic, which makes the EV experience even better... The auto industry is investing tens of billions into EV technology because your argument is not valid for the majority of the planet's population.

And granted when The leaf first came you and only had a range of 70 miles that was a problem... But that's no longer a limiting factor. Range Anxiety is an antiquated notion / rationalization that non-EV owners use, but EV owners have no issue at all with. Perhaps it's the joy of never again having to pull over at a gas station to pay a fortune to kill the planet. Or perhaps it's the fact that there's already enough options:

"When it comes to the mysterious malady known as range anxiety, there’s still a lot that medical researchers don’t know. The ailment is rampant among prospective electric vehicle owners, but it tends to inexplicably disappear within a few weeks of an actual EV purchase. Strangely, the condition is almost unknown among Tesla drivers, with the exception of new owners who are planning long road trips." Research Says Range Anxiety Impacts ICE Owners More Than Tesla Drivers

Regardless of your opinions the ICE is incapable of sustaining itself as a product any longer due to out of control global air pollution issues and the unprecedented investments to switch to EV by automakers is not going to slow down it's going to accelerate and in 10-20 years the people with the range anxiety will likely be the ICE users who worry about all the gas stations shutting down or switching over to EV charging. But maybe you can DIY your own Gasoline facility in your garage? Or maybe you finally give up and realize plugging your car in at the end of the day is way easier than home brew gasoline?

Even some cities in Europe are going to ban ICE cars and new cities in China are being built to be 100% electrified.

 

If I have to drive a car, Electric is the solution for me, until an even better more affordable solution is found. I'm still crossing my fingers that Prime proves to be one of the better transformer type vehicle for the long haul with a taste of being electrified and all the pros and cons that go with it.
The Tesla Pickup with 600 mile range should be another game changer for Tesla In My Opinion Anyways (IMOA)

 

Exactly! Based on Cyber Truck demographics for pre-orders, the rural crowd is filling in the map for all the places where Tesla wasn't selling well because it offers 600 miles of range and is a big truck . They'll be putting rural gas stations out of business soon, because those are the most vulnerable part of the ICE fuel supply chain!

 

Rural living? I live in a suburb of Denver.

If I'm in-town, the 25 mile EV range of the Prime is sufficient for 99% of my driving. If I want to go on an out-of-town trip, the extended range Model 3 is sufficient for 0% of my trips (at least since I've had the Prime and have been paying attention).

That is absolutely false. 45% of the world's population lives in rural areas. Regardless, in places where population density is modest - such as almost the entire US - there are large stretches of land where the wind is strong and the electric infrastructure is weak. That's the problem, not driving around in LA traffic.

 

They're going to take around 1% of the market - just like current EVs. There are over 50 million pickup trucks in service in the US. If they sell half a million, that's 1%.

 

You really need to wake up and stop lying to yourself so much and look at a map of the world's population densities. 2/3rds of the entire human population lives in Asia & SE Asia... Look at Denver on this map... Ask any musician who tours the world regularly and they'll tell you the most amount of traveling between shows is in the Western US...

 

Rural population (% of total population) | Data

World population in rural areas - 45%.

68% of the world population projected to live in urban areas by 2050, says UN | UN DESA | United Nations Department of Economic and Social Affairs

"Today, 55% of the world’s population lives in urban areas,..." (45% rural).

"The rural population of the world has grown slowly since 1950 and is expected to reach its peak in a few years. The global rural population is now close to 3.4 billion and is expected to rise slightly and then decline to 3.1 billion by 2050. "

If you think current-day EVs can serve the world population the way ICE cars do now, then I'm not the one lying to one's self.

 

That's a million vehicles in the first 10 years of production!

Duh!

In the next 2 years alone Tesla will have produced an additional 2 million EVs...

And with the seriousness of climate change accelerating way faster than expected in places like Australia And California switching to EV may not just be a personal choice, it may actually become law. EU and India is already taking measure to force ICE off the road and the dictatorship in China is building whole cities where you can only transport yourself with EV.

 

Then they need to get good enough to do the job - the whole job. And they could if batteries didn't suck so badly in terms of specific energy and cost. That's always been the case. Go back 100 years with good batteries and we'd have never had ICE cars in the first place. Sadly, we still don't have good batteries - better, but not good yet. Need another factor of 4 improvement over Lead-Acid like Li-Ion gave us.