1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

Check Engine Light on Newly Purchased 2012! Should I keep car?

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Main Forum' started by AD80, Sep 16, 2019.

  1. kc5dlo

    kc5dlo Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2015
    266
    163
    0
    Location:
    DFW TX
    Vehicle:
    2021 Prius
    Model:
    XLE
    Is there a law in your state about being able to change your mind about a vehicle purchase? In my state (Texas), you have 3 days to return a vehicle to a dealer.
     
    Robert Holt likes this.
  2. Lovec1990

    Lovec1990 Junior Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2019
    74
    41
    0
    Location:
    Slovenia(EU)
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    @AD80 as others said it return it or they should pay for repair at shop of your choice.

    Question for others if dealer cleared the error like some suggested why did it not show during test drive?
     
  3. Salamander_King

    Salamander_King Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2015
    10,985
    8,886
    0
    Location:
    New England
    Vehicle:
    Other Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    Depending on the severity of the problem, some errors do not always come right back. I had intermittent transmission error code on my old Civic that would trigger check engine light. If I clear the code, it would drive fine for another 3 months or so, and it repeats. What ever the fix was too expensive and I was not going to spend money on it. It kept driving with cleared code for another 3 years until the body was rusted out and I had to scrap the car.
     
    dig4dirt and Lovec1990 like this.
  4. Azlandshaper

    Azlandshaper Junior Member

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2018
    17
    12
    0
    Location:
    Old Pueblo
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    Four
    Id return it and threaten a claim in court. Its a rip and the seller knows it.. The gen 3 can go 200k like mine has or it can go 90. There's a decent chance its a HG and a decent chance its not but why should you be spending money on a car you bought a week ago. File a claim in court and go ask for your money back. He might not want to waste his time and will give you the money or he will jerk u around as he is now by selling you a car in need of attn. Either way ask for your cash back and file a claim. Its worth your time.
     
    Robert Holt likes this.
  5. The Electric Me

    The Electric Me Go Speed Go!

    Joined:
    May 22, 2009
    9,083
    5,798
    0
    Location:
    Undisclosed Location
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    Unfortunately, I think suing the dealership gets you nowhere.
    All the dealership has to say, true on not, is that they didn't reset anything. They can claim to be as shocked, and ripped off, by the person THEY got the vehicle from.
    Couple that with them saying the vehicle can be exchanged....or maybe fixed, and there's no case for the OP.
    You would have to be able to PROVE the dealership actively misrepresented the vehicle.
    Even if they did? They aren't going to admit it.

    I think you'd have to be able to show a timeline, of when they received the vehicle, and when a check engine code was reset. Which might be possible.- But certainly isn't going to be easy.
     
  6. cnc97

    cnc97 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2018
    1,422
    1,532
    38
    Location:
    Evansville, IN
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    Three


    My scan tool will read the service PIDS. One of them is miles since CEL reset. Techstream also reads that I believe. A very low mile count since reset shows the dealer reset the light. It won’t show what codes were reset, but it would look like the dealer tried to hide something.
     
    Mendel Leisk likes this.
  7. The Electric Me

    The Electric Me Go Speed Go!

    Joined:
    May 22, 2009
    9,083
    5,798
    0
    Location:
    Undisclosed Location
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    Yeah, but first of all...we are assuming the dealer reset a code, after taking possession of the vehicle, which is possible, but also a chance the code was reset by the original owner before trading in.

    To get some chain of custody, timeline "proof" would require the cooperation of the dealership.

    Would one expect an unscrupulous dealership to be forthcoming or honest with this information? Or maybe even keep it?
    All they have to do, is say they took ownership of the dealership 1 day AFTER the code was reset...and then it's NOT their fault.

    Since there is a plausible scenario, where they are as much a victim as the new owner, I just don't think pursuing legal action would lead to fruition.

    I could be wrong.
    Pursue or ignore legal action at ones one desire or inclination.

    In short, people always start screaming "sue"!
    But that's a long difficult and often expensive road.

    Unless you can obtain that ABSOLUTE proof that the code was reset while in the possession of the dealership, I think suing is a futile action.
    Even then?
    Usually these vehicles are sold with an "As Is" contract.

    I
     
    kc5dlo likes this.
  8. Azlandshaper

    Azlandshaper Junior Member

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2018
    17
    12
    0
    Location:
    Old Pueblo
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    Four
    I would file the paperwork w the court either way. Its a pain to go to court and if the profit wasn't large then possibly they just refund you.

    OR take it to a shop and ask for an evaluation but the longer you wait the less likely your refund is.
     
    #28 Azlandshaper, Sep 19, 2019
    Last edited: Sep 19, 2019
    Mendel Leisk likes this.
  9. cnc97

    cnc97 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2018
    1,422
    1,532
    38
    Location:
    Evansville, IN
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    Three
    Sometimes the appearance of impropriety is enough to get the dealer to do the right thing. For everything else there is elbow grease. LoL
     
    Grit likes this.
  10. AD80

    AD80 New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2019
    5
    15
    0
    Location:
    California
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius
    Model:
    III
    Hi guys, first of all thanks for all the great feedback and suggestions. This community is great!! Checking back on my little adventure here...

    So I ended up taking the car in to a really good shop to see what was going on. The car was driving fine! No check engine light, no problems after the first two issues (check engine, then slight studder next day). I guess it was good that they happened right after I bought it and not later, If I'm looking on the bright side.

    Anyways like I said the shop was pretty familiar with the car and had great equipment they checked the spark plugs and coils ect they said those were all new. The last thing they did was put a scope in the cylinder which confirmed the busted head gasket. Worst fear confirmed. Out of curiosity I asked how much he would charge to fix something like that and he said they would have to remove the whole engine and machine some parts which would probably total something like $5000!!!!!!! :eek::eek::eek::eek:

    Next day i took the diagnostic back to the dealer. Thankfully he was a upstanding guy and stood by his dealership. Gave me the option to either trade it for another prius or return it for refund. I test drove a Gen 2 which was pretty nice a 2008. I honestly really like the second gens as well something about the visibility or the way it drives. They dont have as much power but still nice. No problems with the car this time i brought a code scanner as well. I considered trading it for this one, but after this experience it just freaked me out of jumping into another prius without more research. I didn't research gen 2 so need to make sure theres no huge problems (headgasket issues?!).

    In the end i ended up getting a refund and now searching again for the right car. I'm not really sure what year is safe with prius?!! I thought the main issue with the gen 3 was 2010, not 2012. Its so crazy to think that engine could develop that randomly and thats it! Pretty much done after that. How the heck are you even supposed to prevent such a thing. Kind of a traumatic Prius experience!

    It was awesome driving it for about a day and a half :LOL:.
     
  11. Salamander_King

    Salamander_King Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2015
    10,985
    8,886
    0
    Location:
    New England
    Vehicle:
    Other Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    Great story. I am so glad you did not have to fight for the refund in the court room. There is always more uncertainties in buying a used car. I hope you have your ride for now while looking around for your next car. Let us know if you end up with another Prius.
     
  12. Grit

    Grit Senior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2017
    6,174
    4,079
    1
    Location:
    Wilkes Land
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius
    Model:
    Four
    Code scan means zilch if no check engine light is on. What you need is to scan for off line monitors.
     
  13. 2012 Prius v wagon 3

    2012 Prius v wagon 3 Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2019
    281
    277
    0
    Location:
    Redwood City, California
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius v wagon
    Model:
    Three
    Glad to hear you got out of that bad situation so well. (y)

    For your continued search, good to take that OBD2 scanner with you. You may find some "readiness monitors" which are related to emissions testing, saying whether or not the car has run for long enough since codes were last reset. If you find that those indicate that the car is NOT ready for a smog check, that tells you the codes were cleared recently, which may or may not have been done to hide a problem like you dodged on the 2012.
     
  14. JC91006

    JC91006 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2013
    16,525
    8,429
    0
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    Vehicle:
    2008 Prius
    Model:
    II
    "Car had brand new plugs and coils". So it's a good thing you didn't buy the Gen2 from this dealer. Sounds like they tried to cover up a huge problem and hoped the new buyer wouldn't notice until it was too late.
     
  15. Azlandshaper

    Azlandshaper Junior Member

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2018
    17
    12
    0
    Location:
    Old Pueblo
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    Four
    Buy a gen 4 these are great cars. Super easy to work on too. Sounds like gen 4 has worked out most of the kinks.
     
  16. Grit

    Grit Senior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2017
    6,174
    4,079
    1
    Location:
    Wilkes Land
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius
    Model:
    Four
    They haven’t worked out their prices yet.
     
    AD80 likes this.
  17. AD80

    AD80 New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2019
    5
    15
    0
    Location:
    California
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius
    Model:
    III
    That sounds about right!
     
  18. AD80

    AD80 New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2019
    5
    15
    0
    Location:
    California
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius
    Model:
    III
    Thanks yea I'm glad too!! I'll definitely end up with a Prius at some point i like driving them, for a daily they cant be beat! Just gotta find the right one.
     
    Salamander_King likes this.