Featured Ford teases electric F-150 towing 1 million pounds

There should be improvements over the Mondeo, considering its age, but yes.

 

The formula for drag is cdA * v*v where A is the frontal area and v is velocity. It would have roughly twice the drag of a prius going the same speed because of increased cd and A frontal area for the truck. Drag is about half of the forces acting against a car in constant level speed going 60 mph (90 kph). The raptor version had a cd of 0.36, so ford knows how to do this fairly easily. Let's face it, its a truck, so you aren't going to drop below 0.3 with that bed, so make it look like a truck. A SUV or van can be much lower.

Rolling resistance which acts based on the weight and tires does not double. This and other losses are the biggest factor in city mileage. I suspect with the right tire package it would not need to get much worse city mileage in bev form than a tesla model S which is 115 mpge in the city. That is if ford uses a lot of the tricks tesla uses, and these are not proprietary (1 switched reluctance motor, and 1 induction motor tuned to different optimal speeds for efficiency, SiC inverters, etc) but most manufacturers have not done it. But its a couple years out, and ford had seen the model 3 probably before this thing was fully designed so its highly possible.

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Now the question is with the experience with the fusion hybrid and phev (energi) and all that truck experience how good will the hybrid f150 be a year from now, and will there be an phev. The hybrid is likely going to be tuned for more capability instead of pure efficiency according to prior ford interviews. It may be this idea that had toyota separate from ford on the hybrid project.

 

Lol... Toyota is stuck on a treadmill of return on investment of fossil fool powered cars. As much as they plan for an EV future in the board room, the actual making of vehicles no and in the next years may well put them further behind than all the other major auto makers. But I guess when you sell as many vehicles as they do a switch to EV looks impossible. What a contrast to the position they were in compared to other auto makers a decade ago. There was no one with better sales figures in that recession...

 

Not according to the Tundra hybrid rumors. Some are speculating 500hp if a turbo V6 is used with hybrid system in the LS500h.
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I'd say the separation was over something more fundamental. Toyota wanted to stick with a power-split system, while Ford wanted to use a parallel one.

 

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I've got to say the pick up buying public will not be all that happy with a tundra with the LS 500h drivetrain if they don't change it completely. The LS h does not sell well.

Powersplit seems to scale well up to that rav4 hybrid, but the higher torque of the LSh or a truck seems like a bad fit. Maybe its good they split. We can see when they both bring out hybrids and possibly bevs and phevs which system is better.

To me the ideal pick up phev would have 30 kwh battery (If we go by the inexpensive power to energy of tesla model 3) producing about 225 hp. Then add a turbo 4 2L that runs in the miller cycle and produces about 220 hp at peak or maybe 400 hp combined but with great torque. You could use power split for that, or even use a 6 cyclinder 3L non turbo version of the atkinson engine in the camry.

 

Power split vehicles may not go extinct as fast as unsplit fossil fuel dinosaurs, but if the luxury car market is any indication, the power split model will go extinct soon after the fossil fool monsters do. A couple decades ago it was a brilliant innovative idea to have both electric and fossil fools in the same vehicle, but looking forward, there's no there, there. The superiority of pure electric is so off the charts compared to hybrid, that it's the difference between owning a VCR vs. watching Netflix on your laptop.

Toyota is in the unenviable of producing so many cars worldwide that they can't effectively transition without a huge loss in existing investments, let alone shift to new major investiments in power train and battery production. So they're playing out their hand and won't budge until the decline in vehicle sales makes it a huge loss and they have to start over.

 

To sell in the South, it needs a "Coal Roller" & "Roaring Diesel" option.

 

F150 already has that, so it will be interesting how sales of it and the hybrid will compare.

 

I know some trucks are sold on the principle of MOAR! GIMME MOAR! but all of those specs seem like considerable overkill to me.

Given truck duty I think I’d want to key a lot of the performance around sustained braking load on that transmission, and I’d take a shot at 150kW being a useful spec for getting a trailer down a mountain interstate safely each time.

 

150 KW is 200 hp about what I speced in the all electric mode. That phev drivetrain will probably add 500 lbs if the engine displacement is the same so I added just a little extra for that. It really depends on battery size which will be about range.

You could just put a 2L atkinson engine in there like the fusion energi, but I'm thinking truck guys will want more umph and better sound. A phev truck is not going to be a stripped model anyway. I figure you want to be able to tow well in hybrid mode with battery and engine both working, but then it can probably drop to being just electric.

It probably should come with 120 VAC outlet for tools, pretty easy to do with that big battery. Better acceleration, etc.

 

FORD...enough said.

 

Does the LEXUS LS sell well at all? At $220,000 (here) - it's not a big seller - I haven't seen one yet in the "new" shape.

 

It should bloody well have single-phase 240 to run a welder or compressor. I say wow ‘em on the electric end of it.

Also, what do you do with 150kW unavoidably on tap while grinding down a hill? gotta make sure you have a few ways to get rid of it for when the battery isn’t the answer. Obviously you can spin the engine against vacuum, or even resistance heaters. I’m just curious where they’ll land given more mass involved in the vehicle.

 

Less than 10k last year, but then it isn't a segment with large sales.

 

+1

I was giving the phev enough battery to recapture a lot of that in regen braking.

Remember these trucks have brakes that can handle a big payload, having a phev or bev with a big battery will allow it to use less brakes. I'm kind of impressed with the KISS tesla regen which can be set to max and you simply let up the accelerator and it brakes as much as the battery will take, then press the brakes if you need more. It has much better feel than the prius but you need a bigger battery to sink that extra power.

 

I see one every other day here.

You can see and tell them apart from most other cars.

Not popular, but they sell here.

 

I wonder, if they were willing to risk damaging a prototype, if the electric F150 might be closer then we all realize?

 

Looks like about 1.4 pounds of pull force per ton of weight, for standard rail cars. So, for a million pound cargo without special rail cars for low starting friction, this truck needs to produce 700 pounds of towing force.

How does that compare to a couple beefy football players? Or one skinny person with a well placed crowbar?

 

Love the fun facts. Wiki shows that football lineman can squat 700 lb & up. So you put a 10 to 1 gear set on a 3 wheel bicycle? Boom shakalaka. These big guys might not even break a sweat.

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Did anyone else notice the "start/stop engine" button at 2:39? They may want to rethink that.