thanks, i'm not sure when they kick over to the next percent. apparently, not at 50%. another funny thing is that i stopped and took the pic as soon as hv and ev clicked over, but the odo read 60,001.
Haven’t really decided for sure yet. I know for a fact I will not buy a brand new one. I also like the fact of not having a car payment. I believe I will run this one into the ground. I’m starting to look for a replacement lithium battery for a back up.
We have had cool temps here 25-30 degrees. Difficult to judge, will know more once spring and summer arrive. I have noticed the car comes out of EV Mode (EV) light on display turns off.
Updated as of Saturday7/6/19. Regarding battery degradation, very little from what I can tell. As everyone knows batteries work better in the warmer climates. My wife’s PIP charges slower from brake regeneration and also depletes slower in full EV mode. She has 45k EV miles. Overall very satisfied.
well done! i'm at 43,500 ev, and have lost about 15% battery since new. mostly in the first 2 years. i used to get about 16 miles around town in the best ev weather, now about 14.
Thats great. My Wife's PIP has 45k EV and 125k HV. 170k+. I can definitely see the difference between the 2 cars.How many total miles on your car? I am actually looking at the BMW i3 2014-2015. You can buy them for a decent price. your thoughts?
Thinking to get a 2012 Plug-In in the near future and hope to rely 90% on EV mode. do u guys see much degration for earlier models? i heard Nissan Leaf and Mitsubutshi Outlander PHEV gets very bad degration.
i have a bit over 64k total. i like the i-3, but i would read bob wilsons tome before buying one. german engineering can be expensive, and you get to know the service manager really well. nothing like japanese quality.
welcome! expect around 15% degradation. best thing to do is charge it, reset a trip meter and drive it under conditions you would expect if you bought it. see how far it goes before the engine comes on. all the best!
Thanks for the advice. I really love the Japanese cars, preferably Toyota. I will probably end up with a prime in about 4-5 years.
Market forces are going to drive Toyota to release a BEV or suffer lagging sales. I know Toyota says they can have a larger positive impact on emissions using their battery capacity to make PHEVs, but that's not the sole reason people want BEVs. There are reduced maintenance and operating cost factors too, and PHEVs temper those benefits. Not to mention environmental factors that don't include emissions, like reduced toxic liquids like coolant and oil to dispose of on regular intervals and reduced consumables like spark plugs, oil filters, and fuel filters to dispose of.
0% sales are without subsidy here still. Of those sales dependent upon tax-credits, how many are actually profitable? That criteria alone informs us the "lagging" is a long time coming still, even without consideration of the actual competition... traditional vehicles. With many provide high profits with very little effort to sell, the idea of a hard push for a vehicle requiring lots of information sharing to entice a purchase and razor-thin profit in return is futile. Then when you consider the rest of the problem... home charging... the situation becomes almost pointless still. Much work needs to be done to stir those household infrastructure updates. How many people have nothing but a single 120-volt line available in their garage available for overnight charging? That's an ugly best-case scenario... and very much a reality, presently. Toyota's push for PHEV penetration into the mainstream helps move that process along. The choice to get a Prius Prime is painless. It really is plug & play. It also stimulates the household consideration for upgrading. Being able to benefit from a 240-volt line becomes more and more obvious over time. Having it available paves the way for a BEV purchase later. In the meantime, Toyota will be building up a solid reliability reputation for their plug-in offerings. Elimination of the engine later is not scary in any regard once that customer confidence takes hold. While that is taking place, there's also the gain which comes from refining production and preparing for ramp-up. These are all vital business steps the "suffer" forecasts don't ever directly address. Put another way, evidence of Toyota positioning itself for the upcoming paradigm-shift is stronger than most other legacy automakers. They are doing something now, rather than just rolling out a token offering or releasing a lot of press info. Notice how TNGA is on-target to reach 80% of their fleet by 2023?
The problem for Toyota, if this is their strategy, is that without any BEV offering, they don't get any sales for those that don't need this step. And when people are ready to graduate from PHEV to BEV they move on to a different vendor. Thus opportunity lost as many PIP owners moved to Telsa...like me. Mike
This is why "know your audience" gets brought up over and over. As an early-adopter, you have little to nothing in common with a showroom shopper. Anyway, strategy is long-term. A purchase now isn't part of that. Remember the 2030 plan Toyota laid out? Think about how obsessive GM enthusiasts were about the first 200,000 sales, how no attention was being paid to WHO would be next to purchase. Look what happened as a result. Toyota isn't going to play that game and Tesla isn't a legacy automaker.
