1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

awd-e mg3?

Discussion in 'Gen 4 Prius Technical Discussion' started by davran, May 18, 2019.

  1. davran

    davran Member

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2019
    99
    97
    0
    Location:
    BC, Canada
    Vehicle:
    2019 Prius
    Model:
    Base AWD-e
    Hi all,

    I've been watching 'how priiis work' videos.

    Is the motor driving the rear diff on my '19 awd-e called mg3? Does it help to regenerate, or is it a drive motor only?

    Thanks, Dave.
     
  2. Elektroingenieur

    Elektroingenieur Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2017
    2,515
    3,268
    9
    Location:
    California
    Vehicle:
    2016 Prius
    Model:
    Three Touring
    In New Car Features (more info), Toyota calls it Motor Generator Rear (MGR), part of the Q510 rear traction motor with transaxle assembly. It’s an air-cooled induction motor, not a water-cooled permanent magnet motor like MG1 and MG2. MGR is supplied by the Rear Hybrid Motor Control Inverter Assembly, which converts DC from the HV battery into three-phase, variable-frequency AC at up to 201 volts.
    It’s not entirely clear, but I believe the latter.

    The specification table for MG1, MG2, and MGR says their functions are, respectively, “Generate, Engine Starter,” “Generate, Drive Wheels,” and “Drive Wheels,” and in the Repair Manual, when describing the Data List item for “Request Rear Motor Regenerative Brake Torque,” Toyota writes that the value should always be 0 N·m, and that “Regeneration by rear motor is not performed.”

    In New Car Features, however, a diagram does show DC returning to the HV battery from the rear inverter during deceleration, and Toyota writes, “The rear inverter converts the direct current from the HV battery into alternating current for MGR, or vice versa” (emphasis added).
     
    kevin.c, davran and Tideland Prius like this.
  3. Tideland Prius

    Tideland Prius Moderator of the North
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2004
    45,024
    16,242
    41
    Location:
    Canada
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    I thought it’s usually referred to as MGR (rear).

    On the Prius, it’s motor only. In the HiHy, RXh, RAV4h, they do regen.

    Edit: what ^^ he said lol.
     
  4. drash

    drash Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2005
    2,502
    1,271
    0
    Location:
    Upstate NY
    Vehicle:
    Other Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    As well as the NXh as it’s shown on my wife’s display. I also looked in the Specs and is used for: Drives rear wheels, regeneration during braking.

    Not sure about the UXh. That motor is really small.

    After reading the Specs for the UXh, the rear motor is a 7hp induction motor and is used for: Drives rear wheels; stability control. So it doesn’t provide regen. Which seems earily like the Prius AWD-e and may be the same system.

    Unsupervised!
    iPhone ?
     
    #4 drash, May 20, 2019
    Last edited: May 20, 2019
    alanclarkeau and Tideland Prius like this.
  5. Tideland Prius

    Tideland Prius Moderator of the North
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2004
    45,024
    16,242
    41
    Location:
    Canada
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    It could very well be the same electric motor.
     
    alanclarkeau likes this.
  6. alanclarkeau

    alanclarkeau Senior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2016
    7,044
    7,587
    0
    Location:
    near Brisbane, Australia
    Vehicle:
    2016 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    Your Owner's Manual says:



    Which seems to indicate that there is some power flow from the rear motor to the battery.
     
  7. alanclarkeau

    alanclarkeau Senior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2016
    7,044
    7,587
    0
    Location:
    near Brisbane, Australia
    Vehicle:
    2016 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    My internet was crazy last night (OPTUS partial outage) and the attachment didn't attach - I tried editing it dozens of times, but no success - I'll try again now:
    upload_2019-5-23_9-15-38.png
     
    Tideland Prius and davran like this.
  8. Rmay635703

    Rmay635703 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2016
    2,609
    1,624
    0
    Location:
    Somewhere in Wisconsin
    Vehicle:
    2013 Chevy Volt
    Model:
    N/A
    Has anyone done a tear down of the Prius MGR?
    Or even have photos of it?

    I’m very curious what voltage it uses
     
  9. JimboPalmer

    JimboPalmer Tsar of all the Rushers

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2009
    12,470
    6,871
    2
    Location:
    Greenwood MS USA
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius v wagon
    Model:
    Three
    Here is a video on the older, larger MGR for the Highlander and RAV4 hybrids



    My understanding is that the Prius does not regen from MGR.
     
    Rmay635703 likes this.
  10. alanclarkeau

    alanclarkeau Senior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2016
    7,044
    7,587
    0
    Location:
    near Brisbane, Australia
    Vehicle:
    2016 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    The Owner's Manual seems to indicate in the diagram that it does actually regen (see my post #7).
     
  11. Rmay635703

    Rmay635703 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2016
    2,609
    1,624
    0
    Location:
    Somewhere in Wisconsin
    Vehicle:
    2013 Chevy Volt
    Model:
    N/A
    Ditto, still waiting on someone to pull the rear MGR off an AWD drive Prius for dimensions and photos