Mid-Range Model 3 - gone

Because the Japanese government subsidizes almost 100% of the car and the hydrogen to power it.

 

And don’t forget the money (from their greed) helped support Tesla in the beginning. So with out the money you may not be enjoying your Model 3.

 

That’s Japan’s choice. Nothing wrong with it.

 

We can debate Toyota's commitment to BEVs from here to eternity, but until we see something other than press releases and talking points - an actual working model that isn't a "concept car" - Toyota remains on the sidelines. That's really a shame.

 

Well put. Much like all the startups that have achieved a "600 mile range charged in 5 minutes"

 

Hydrogen and FCEV is being pushed for Japanese government and industry. I guess they figure hydrogen infrastructure is cheaper than upgrading their electric grid to support home EV charging. It might actually work for their small island nation.

I take it Toyota is also being graceful towards Nissan, Renault, VW, the Chinese EV companies, Hyundai, and even Ford and GM.

Except when Japanese companies push and lobby for hydrogen and FCEV incentives in countries where it doesn't make sense.

 

I think they do have BEV design.
Where is it? In the basement. That is the problem...it needs to be in the Showroom.

Mike

 

It don’t make sense.....I was speaking with someone in Southern California Edison and was told they don’t have the infrastructure to handel an all electric vehicle state. We are screwed either way.

 

That is simply FUD ! Yes, the infrastructure is not sufficient at this time to be a 100% BEV State. But we are far from being a 100% BEV State at this time and the utilities are expanding their facilities toward reaching that goal at a time certain in the future.

 

No FUD.....example is a parking structure that has power supply that can only handel so many chargers. Edison has to deny the install as the power supply is not large enough to handle x number of chargers.

 

Most people are going to charge at home most of the time.
Nighttime electrical demand is typically as low as 2/3rds as much as peak day time use.

Most people commute less than 50 miles per day. That is about 12 kwh per day.
Another way to estimate it is to assume ~12000 -16,000 miles per year per driver.
This is about 3000-4000 kwh per year. This is about 8 to 11 kwh per day.
So, on average there is plenty of capacity today.

What we need is to be able to handle peak demand during summer driving.
We have a couple of decades before we need to handle this

Mike

 

Doing a BEV is actually easy from the technical side. More so for a company with expertise in electric drivetrains, like Toyota has through their hybrid and FCEV programs. They don't have a platform dedicated for EVs though. TNGA has been earning accolades, but anyone looking at the Prime can see it was not designed with batteries in mind, and hydrogen tanks may not have been a consideration.

So when Toyota does BEVs, theirs will be built on ICE platforms in a market were their competitors have BEV dedicated platforms. VW is willing to license out theirs, so maybe Toyota won't have it that bad.

 

toyota cannot make a bev platform outside of tgna?

 

They could, but it isn't a quick process; measured in years.

Unless Toyota has been working on a BEV platform in secret, they will be stuck making a BEV on an ICE platform. Which doesn't mean the BEV will be bad; the Leaf, Bolt, Kona, and Niro EV are using an ICE platform. It is just that by the time Toyota brings out a BEV, there will be more than Tesla using a BEV platform. Not necessarily to the same degree, it is like competing against a ground up hybrid design with an ICE converted into one.

It appears Toyota will end up being on the opposite position they were in regards hybrids with BEVs.

 

As someone who owns both a Leaf and a Tesla, there isn't a comparison. An ICE platform EV can work, but never be top notch IMO. Has to be built from the ground up as an EV to truly excel. The Tesla is so far ahead of the Leaf it's laughable. That being said (other than the passive cooling) the Leaf is still a great car.

 

Plus Jaguar, Audi, MBZ, and Bummer. All these ICE based cars are bad - low efficiency, low range, and poor aero dynamics when compared to a Tesla, because like it or not, Tesla is the benchmark in the BEV game today. The notable exception is the VW group which is developing some exciting designs on a dedicated BEV platform. I wish them well and hope they give Tesla some real competition..

 

Put your coffee cup down:

Brilliant!

Apparently Toyota is running the "self charging hybrid" advertisement campaign in the UK. Perhaps Toyota thinks Brexit has proven their minds are open to it.

Bob Wilson

 

This video is so sad. He is saying that gasoline is the new electricity. Obviously done tongue in cheek to show how morally bankrupt Toyota's moral compass is. Fortunately. these kinds of videos and adds will never work because the consumer is becoming quickly educated on the advantages of sustainable power for personal transportation. It makes Toyota look foolish and desperate.

 

Actually...

Renewable energy experts and a new report from the solar industry say Los Angeles could generate a larger portion of its electricity with wider use of residential solar panels backed up by battery storage.

The concept of a "virtual power plant" that could replace one of three natural gas plants being phased out by the city has already been deployed successfully in Orange County and Waltham, Vermont. But Los Angeles, where officials want to rely entirely on renewable energy by 2050, would be the largest U.S. city to go virtual.


The report from San Francisco-based residential solar company Sunrun amounts to a sales pitch to the city to expand the number of solar residences to at least 75,000, which would be enough to collectively replace the power production of one gas-powered plant and save $60 million.