EV Energy Consumption (EPA) Compared By Vehicle/Trim

OK, wrong choice of word I used. HV drive using gas is more "economical".

I edited my previous comment.

 

Ah, I understand you now, thanks for the clarification.
For the average prices in the USA, this is also not true. However, I understand how it is in your area.

 

Correct!

 

Yes, we do get some EV miles generated by the ICE if we are driving in HV, have remaining EV range in the battery, AND capture the extra electrons by going to EV just for a second and then back to HV. I called that "ratcheting" in the PiP. On top of that, the Prime counts EV miles as any miles driven with the ICE off, no matter what mode you've selected which can add to the miles in EV off a particular charge. So, yes, that would give an artificially high distance compared to energy pulled from your garage wall. But as @Salamander_King said, our numbers were gathered completely in EV mode, so no ICE generated miles.

This car is astonishingly efficient if driven with efficiency in mind. My theory is that many BEV drivers are not driving like Prius drivers and that would lower the average efficiency statistics. I drove a Model S and that son of a gun was STRONG. It would be hard to not have fun with that. I suspect that if a Tesla, Leaf, or Bolt was driven the same way as most Primes, it might get similar miles/kWh.

 

This is exactly why, when comparing efficiency of different cars it is important to use the same measuring stick.
Run the vehicles through an identical test, and generate an efficiency benchmark you can use to compare one vehicle against another.

Thus the EPA numbers

EPA numbers were never meant to tell you what any one individual will get, they are meant to allow someone to compare the relative efficiencies of different products.

 

One difference between Gaso and Elec cars, gaso cars we know the real wrold energy used from Fuelly for example. I wish Elon Musk would tell us Tesla's real world numbers to comparte with charts, assuming he has not done so.

 

You have “real world data” from the individuals that choose to record their data on Fuelly.
Toyota, Tesla, and others give us the test data.
You can gather information from drivers, but that is always voluntary data, and difficult to quantify.

The best you can do is take a look at the difference between the epa test numbers for the car you drive compared with the efficiency you get with the car. You can then apply that ratio to any 0ther vehicle.

 

If Musk did, there would likely be cries about Tesla collecting too much data and individual's privacy.

Now, it would be nice if Tesla had an opt in site like GM did for the Volt, in which the car owner can choose to share their results. There is also no reason why a site like Fuelly couldn't support BEVs; PHEVs are trickier.

 

so what are we talkin'. mid 20's normal freeway driving but winter?

even lower than a 3 ton+ ludicrous Model X! That thing must really be an energy Pig.
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Jerry is in warm Sunshine state. I don't think they get that cold even in winter. Where I live mid-'20s is spring and fall temp. We had 24F this morning and 3 inches of snow today. Our winter is more like subzero (F) in cold days, to 10s (F) on warm days. And I almost never do highway drive, but no stop-and-go traffic either. Average 30mph (50mph top) on icy or snow-covered rural roads to plowed clear state routes. My PRIME's EV range in winter is 18 miles top, but during summer I can get as high as 36 miles.

 

The coldest we typically see is upper 20s for a few mornings in the winter. Our big enemy is the heat. It's not as hot as AZ, but it stay hot for a long time and doesn't cool down as much at night.

 

don't start ....

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At least part of the reason is the AWD system. The front axle motor is permanent magnet, not an induction one like the Model 3 uses, and also the Prius rear motor. So when the Jag isn't powering that front axle, the magnets are a resistant force to spinning it.

 

There is more truth than poetry in what you say about the Jag. But at least Jag is in the game, unlike some "other' legacy automakers. Each Jag sale is not a lost Tesla sale, it is a lost ICE sale and one less ICE on the road. Hopefully Jag will learn from their mistakes with their first attempt at making a mass produced BEV (as Tesla is still learning) and improve their car in future iterations. Although the Jag is not for me (it is too conservative and not futuristic enough for my taste) I wish them well and welcome their participation in achieving a sustainable future.

 

In my model 3 I've been getting about 190 wh/m over the last week or two.
When I first got it (last summer) I was getting ~200 wh/mile...then during the "cold" season I was up to 210 or 220.

YMMV

Mike

 

The RWD is crazy efficient. Hoping for a software update that will bring my AWD at least a little closer to the RWD efficiency.

 

Doubtful, but anything is possible.
The front motor in the AWD is simply less efficient than the rear motor.
This was one of the biggest reasons I was ok going with the RWD. However, even the AWD is very efficient, just not crazy efficient

 

Why can't they just have a mode where they essentially shut off the front motor unless high power is needed? I believe they called this torque sleep in the S.

 

I believe they already do.
Even asleep though, you have extra weight (minimal).

Still, they may be able to tune it some, but it will never be as efficient as the RWD, unless they change motors.