Featured Reasons behind the slowness of EVs adoption in US

I disagree on both points.
Although you aren’t far off on the PHEV.

 

bev's will work for a lot of people, but we need more choices and better pricing

 

Hands on experience with a Prius Prime Plus, BMW i3-REx, and Standard Range Plus Model 3 suggests:

• Battery capacity is less important than the speed and distance between fast chargers. Two hours of 70 mph driving and a half-hour of fast charging for the next two hours works great.
• The J1772 standard supports both AC and DC charging up to 80 A. Use it for both AC and DC like the Tesla plug does. J1772 should also support three-phase, AC charging.
• The J1772 pilot signal should be digital, probably CAN bus or ethernet, and age out the resistance based protocol. There should be a standard set of digital commands, a mandated standard, that includes the VIN.
• I have no problem with proprietary networks being model specific so the Tesla built-out SuperCharger network treats others poorly if at all.
• Dealer chargers get significant incentives to have 24x7 charging stations on the boundary of their property ... or outsourced to 24x7 businesses (aka., Waffle House.)

Bob Wilson

 

cracker barrel

 

PHEVs will work 100% of the places where conventional cars will work, since they are conventional cars with just the added capability of charging if you want to use it.

 

Not for me.

First of all, I won't stop for half an hour unless I'm eating. 8-10 minutes with an absolute maximum of 15 minutes.
Second, I absolutely require spare capacity to deal with emergencies, setbacks or other unexpected problems.
Finally, sometimes I need to get somewhere quickly and will only stop for a few minutes every 4-5 hours for a bio break, and eat in the car. The car has to be able to support this. Example: I went to to the Reno Air Races but they were starting the day after finals so right after those were over we drove 18 hours straight through the night to get there in time, with only three breaks for gas and bathrooms, and to switch drivers.

 

Our backup to the Tesla Model 3 is a BMW i3-REx. The BMW has already proved it has long, gas legs.

Bob Wilson

 

70 miles at a time, as I recall.

 

okay, bev's don't work for one person out of 327 million, no argument.

 

Called block-to-block speed:

( travel_time / (travel_time + charge_time) ) * road_speed

Model 3 example:

• 70 mph ~= 140 mi in 2 hours
• 130 mi / 0.5 hr charge_rate

( 2 hr / 2.5 hr ) * 70 mph ~= 56 mph​

I have a similar metric for BMW i3-REx travel ... with wife and dogs.

Bob Wilson

 

If that were true then 1 out of 327 million would be the only one who doesn't have one.

How about when you are on a farm and have diesel delivered to you a thousand gallons at a time to run your tractors? Or at a construction site where no utilities exist yet and you have to excavate and grade a quarter million cubic yards of dirt? Or building a road or railroad out in the middle of nowhere?

There are tons and tons of common applications of ICE's where current EV technology can't replace them. And we need to fix that, at some point, because we shouldn't be burning valuable oil for energy.

 

Yep. When we did that Reno trip, our average speed was 72mph.

 

So who has or is announcing for sale in the next 6 months a PHEV? In a non-sedan form factor. I need the get in the car seat height.

 

There has been a recent update that increases the SuperCharger rate BUT we don't have new metrics for our Model 3. In a few days, I should have some metrics.

Bob Wilson

 

Pacifica?

 

I would consider your Model 3 to have a 75 mile one-way range or 37 mile round-trip range if I were out of town. The rest is reserve for unexpected problems.

I've let my Prime drop below 200 miles of range remaining exactly once, and that was to test its reserve. It'll never happen again in its life unless an actual emergency requires it.

 

I like the BMW i3-REx but ours is backup for the Tesla.

Bob Wilson

 

This is another logical fallacy.
New products are not immediately adopted, regardless of how good the product is.
This is especially true when the product has a 3-7 year life cycle.
It is made even slower when the price of the product is in the tens of thousands of dollars.
And in general, people have different comfort levels using new products. You have early adopters, late adopters, mainstream buyers, and lagarts.

And as you yourself have mentioned, a wider variety of form factors will also help.

Even if a new product were superior in every way, you won’t get instant 100% adoption.

 

yea - and what about the aborigines living in the outback. So many good examples ...... you're right of course . . . all about the 1% ers.

btw .... john dear's electric tractor - nuf said.



yep - times a changin'

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A large portion of people that have 2 or more cars could use a BEV today. Most people commute less than 50 miles per day. 60% or more homes have a garage and are owner occupied.
Far more than 5%, I think.
Everyone isn't like you. Or like me.

Mike