Featured 2020 Corolla Hybrid Sedan (Yes, for the US)

Yea, espeically VW group keeps cheating... Like i dont get why they cheat... Like a month ago they were caught cheating AGAINwith the emisions on the V6 and V8 diesels...

And yea, nox was it...

 

I hope the US hybrid matches the EU styling. The US models shown are SE/XSE styling, and the L/LE/XLE will be more conservative. Though not sure the headlights will be changed. EU version looks more upscale.
The intro of a Corolla hybrid is likely to counter the Hyundai and Honda Insight conventional styling.

 

I want to know its mpg...

 

Like all things Prius, patience.

 

Bob Wilson

 

European preliminary WLTP numbers are in, and they are:
4.3 l/100 km for 1.8 hybrid (55 MPG), test cycle is still optimistic.

New Sedan joins Toyota Corolla Hybrid family

Seeing numbers for 2.0 it is suggested that it consumes only 13% more than 1.8. My guess would be around 50 MPG for US 2.0 hybrid Corolla sedan on the EPA.

 

Electrifying Design Meets Electrified Power in First-Ever Corolla Hybrid | Toyota

... a new hybrid model that achieves at least 50 mpg combined fuel economy (projected).

 

I'll be honest and say I'm more excited for the Corolla Hybrid than I am for the 2019 Prius reveal. I'd like to see real world MPG though. Could be a real winner if priced to sell.

This will be great for us 'stealth hybrid' types.

 

The new Corolla 1.8 hybrid gets into Prius territory with 53/52/52 mpg city/highway/combined



2020 Toyota Corolla Hybrid





What does Prius have to top that? More interior space, AWD option and Prime/PHV... and quirky looks.

Next gen Prius will definitely have to offer something else, I say go with full EV, but then again Prius is not exactly the right name for it.

 

Sedans are rapidly vanishing. Corolla will survive that changing market simply due to it being the world's best selling vehicle. After so many generations, the choice is a no-brainer for the basics. Prius has always offered more than the basics. So, it makes sense that it will continue to hold that position in the fleet, especially with it being a hatchback. Camry is what see taking more of a sales it, proportionally. That's due to the rise of RAV4, which is extremely well positioned for SUV demand.

Keep in mind that Toyota is a 10-million-per-year automaker. They don't cater to the allure early-adopters seek. Their target has always been ordinary consumers. So, there has always been a perception issue when it comes to the appeal of Prius, an image never properly portrayed based on claims from those trying to interpret history long afterward... which always made the understanding of how it sells so well a mystery.

The direction of Prius taking on a plug-in only role seems the obvious next step. Battery advancement combined with some emerging clarity of what mainstream consumers will actually purchase... now that we are finally starting to see the confusion caused by enthusiasts & subsides fade... makes a high-volume profitable approach realistic in the not-too-distant future.

Don't forget how much of a role the hybrid will continue to play over the next few years. There's lots of plug-in infrastructure to deal with in the meantime.
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I newer understood why sedans are (were?) so popular in US, in Europe Corolla also comes in the Touring sport version, same wheel base as Prius but bigger and even more practical trunk.

Prius did it's thing for the hybrid drivetrain, but now I don't see much sense in keeping it alive in the regular hybrid form.

 

the theory that GM's Volt failed (via high cost w/out $ubsidy) & /or Toyota hasn't "missed the boat" is a plausible theory -
however - even as the Volt was getting axed from production, many other small & midsize cars were simarly being axed from production, simply due to Market shift from those size segments, right? After all, "Market acceptance", as you call it, is diminishing in general for these segments, right? still - it's plausible. As for whether Toyota is missing the boat? - with RAV4 hybrid sales being decent .... the boat appears to have not yet sailed. With sales of standard Prius dropping percentage-wise over the past few years though? and with Model 3 huge sales success - even prior to release of short range
model? one should at least acknowledge that the cruise ship's bon voyage horn is about to go off - one would think.
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It will be interesting to observe what will happen at the next fuel price rise capitulation. Will those folks move off their trucks/SUVs to smaller ICE cars? Hybrid cars? Or go full EV. A couple years ago I would have thought hybrids but the EV industry may hit the 'sweet spot' just at the right time.

On the fuel price topic, I'm personally surprised that fuel prices have stayed low this long. I wonder when they will start to rise? I also don't get the diesel truck craze. Around here diesel costs far more than gasoline...and even at 'low' prices I just don't see how those 'big diesel truck' folks pay for it!

 

I personally think the prius should turn into an EV to, like... Its always been the "leading" toyota hybrid, but honestly now... The corolla beats it in every single way, technology, space, looks, fuel economy, performance, everything (even the 2013-2018 Auris TS beats it in every way..., while technically being smaller)... For the prius to stay interesting it should be one of the first toyota EV`s. It started the hybrid era, it should be the car that leads toyota into to the all electric era. But as it looks now, that will most likely will be the CH-R EV that comes to china next year.

 

The Prius has always been a test bed platform for Toyota's new technology. Since they have been hinting that they are looking at EVs your theory seems plausible. I think Toyota has gotten to the point where the Hybrid Synergy Drive is going to be rolled out to many more vehicles and yes, the next gen Prius will need differentiation. However, since Toyota is such a conservative company I'd assume they would make a plug in ( i.e. - the Prime ) the 'standard' next gen Prius.

 

The first ship of hundreds is basically just symbolic.... very important.... but nothing that will affect the masses for a generation or two still.

Remember the first cell phones or digital cameras? They were a sign of great things to come, but totally unrealistic for mass-adoption in those early years... which is exactly where we are now with plug-ins.

It's tiring to hear early-adopter impatience, but that's actually how potential is gauged. They feel opportunity is being missed, but are too out of touch with ordinary showroom shoppers to understand why such a different path must be taken to appeal to them.

 

Or the next Prius maybe a hydrogen FCEV.

 

As much as id like that and like the technology in Fuel cell EV`s lol, i dont think they would be able to keep the price of the prius the same if they did that... The mirai costs like 60 000 dollars here in Norway... While the prius is like 40 000 dollars.

And wouldnt fuel cell EV`s be more expensive to maintnence? And what about the liquid hydrogen... From what ive read and watched on youtube from engineering explained (and learnt at school since i go engineer design lol). There isnt any way of producing liquid hydrogen without polluting hell alot and it being in-efficient, atleast for now. Also with the mirai existing, i really dont see why it would benefit toyota to turn the prius into a fuel cell EV and not a normal EV. Isnt range and filling-time the only reason fuel cell EV`s was invented aswell? But with battery technology evolving stupid quick, getting insane range and pretty fast charging time, wouldnt the whole point of fuel cell cars dissapear? For example the new tesla roadster will have over 1000km range (on paper atleast, may be that it goes down to like 800-900km in real life driving) and have tesla supercharging.

These are atleast the questions i have to this topic lol.

 

Don't take the bait. Discussion of fuel-cell and hydrogen are attempts to divert attention, a classic undermining tactic.

Other automakers are also diversifying, so it is just a red-herring anyway.