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Palestinians Want Israel Destroyed

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    dbermanmd New Member

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    Poll: Majority PA Arabs Support Destruction of Israel

    Poll: Majority PA Arabs Support Destruction of Israel
    16:57 Aug 08, '06 / 14 Av 5766

    (IsraelNN.com) “For the first time,†a poll carried out by Near East Consulting last week states, “a majority of Palestinians (55%) agree that Hamas should not change its position regarding the elimination of the state of Israel. Even 29% of the Christian Palestinians share this view. The percentage of those holding this view among Fateh supporters now is 39%.â€

    About 97% support Hizbullah's position towards Israel – with that position also held by 95% of Christian Arabs as well. About 91% of those polled do not believe that IDF soldier Gilad Shalit should be released unconditionally and 93% of both Muslim and Christian Arabs do not believe that Hizbullah should release the IDF soldiers it is holding either. A majority of 54% of PA Arabs think that Israel controls the US, while 46% think that Israel is controlled by the US.

    The poll was conducted last week by Near East Consulting via telephone conversations with over 1,200 randomly selected Arabs living under Palestinian Authority administration in Judea, Samaria, Gaza and Jerusalem. The poll was given a 95% confidence level.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Aug 8 2006, 12:09 PM) [snapback]299666[/snapback]</div>
    So should we kill all the Palestinians?It wouldn't be that hard.
     
  3. IsrAmeriPrius

    IsrAmeriPrius Progressive Member

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Aug 8 2006, 10:09 AM) [snapback]299666[/snapback]</div>
    I do not consider IsraelINN.com to be a legitimate source of news. It is a site operated by Arutz Sheva, which is the settlers' movement extreme right wing radio station. It's objectivity is about as challenged as that of some of the Arab terrorist propaganda machines.

    I Googled the headline and came with a few hits. Just as I suspected, Arutz Sheva picked and chose to report only the most inflammatory data from the poll.

     
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    Palastinian support for a cease-fire IS support for the destruction if Israel!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudna

    A hudna is just a repreive which the terrorists will use to re-arm and regain their strength!

    A hudna is seen as a sign of weakness.

    So sorry IsAmeriprius - support for a cease-fire, is jsut so they can re-arm, not so they can exist together!
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Devil's Advocate @ Aug 8 2006, 02:23 PM) [snapback]299703[/snapback]</div>
    Exactly - like the prior 6 year hiatus they had to rearm and ready themselves. I see no alternative but the complete elimination of this threat. And with all the stars aligned like never b4 I hope Olmert takes advantage of this.

    They do not want peace - they want another shot at Israel knowing that they only have to win once and Israel only has to lose once. Trust me, if Israel was losing this conflict there would be no UN or any other body rushing to its aid.
     
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    IsrAmeriPrius Progressive Member

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    Dr. Berman,

    May I recommend the following article for your reading enjoyment?

    [Excerpts]

     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsrAmeriPrius @ Aug 8 2006, 02:22 PM) [snapback]299732[/snapback]</div>
    Sounds like a pretty accurate description.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsrAmeriPrius @ Aug 8 2006, 03:22 PM) [snapback]299732[/snapback]</div>
    Specious at best, self-serving at worst.

    In [your] conclusion - Olmert should resign??? For sure he should sequester his wife.

    You might actually be right in a sense - seeing how ineptly Olmert is fighting this war - Israeli's should have had more common sense than opt for a leader without combat experience. Maybe because too many Israeli's without combat experience were allowed to vote??
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsrAmeriPrius @ Aug 8 2006, 03:22 PM) [snapback]299732[/snapback]</div>
    also, if you really stand behind this concept i am sure you would narrow that down to only those who had combat experience - actually were shot at - and shot at another human being. Serving can be really bullsh*t wuusy i guess if you were serving as a cook or a mechanic or any other position that protected you from being the actual "tip of the sword".

    I did enjoy it - as much as i enjoy watch Israel lose this war to date. I sure hope they wake up and take care of business or are they just going to settle again, give back sheba farms (not even a Lebanese territory) let the Hezbos rearm and refortify their positions, let them get another 15,000 missiles (the ones that reach Tel Aviv), let the UN back in, let Iran give them more good stuff like anti-aircraft missiles etc - and then attack again - you know kill a few more Israeli's kidnap a bunch more.....

    all the while while Hamas gets better at building kassams with longer range and better accuracy and start launching them from the west bank and gaza. and then they get chemical weapons and drones that are loaded with munitions and chemicals -- how vigilant can israel be watching the skies from EVERY direction looking for little drones that could kill thousands.

    wake up man - you have the triple threat here -

    a fanatical religion that serves as a political body
    a DESIRE to die
    and advance military technology

    Israel is going to lose if it does not put this threat to bed soon.

    I am sure you are also in favor of letting Iran go nuclear. That is the end game - one little nuke going off in Israel is not much of a loss for Islam - you know who said that right - rafsamjani - and they already have the blessings of their mullahs for that.

    sit back - relax - talk - settle - enjoy life here - you are much safer - for the time being

    or maybe

    if you did serve and you cared about Israel since you have the training - go back and help out. In fact all the liberal lefties who desired peace with hamas/hezbo/plo/etc - they should be the first to go to war for their stupidity - they should be the first to pay the ultimate price - they were wrong - they should pony up. all those lefties that served and STILL believed that peace was really possible - they should be off in the front lines now so they can learn a lesson they obviously did not learn by serving before.......
     
  10. IsrAmeriPrius

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    Berman,

    You are so predictable, it is embarrassing.

    Mr. Halkin articulates my views very well. Since you cannot stand the heat, please stay out of the kitchen.

    IAP

    P.S. It is quite arrogant of you to attribute to me views that I do not hold and which I have never expressed.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsrAmeriPrius @ Aug 8 2006, 05:06 PM) [snapback]299792[/snapback]</div>
    Just elucidate for me, the simple minded, your views on how this should be settled - of course from your expert point of view with all your years of service and insight gained from "cooking in the kitchen".

    Should be real easy - just make sure you can explain it at a level i can understand - and please do not use military terminology - I might not understand it.

    Thanks, looking forward to your words of experience born wisdom.

    Berman
     
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    IsrAmeriPrius Progressive Member

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    Let me direct your attention to the following columns, written by M.J. Rosenberg in the Israel Policy Forum publication IPF Friday.

    [Excerpts]

     
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    IsrAmeriPrius Progressive Member

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    I just ran across this great Op-Ed piece in today's edition of Haaretz:

    [Excerpts]

     
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    Maybe we should just pre-emptively nuke Israel ourselves. Evacuate it first, or at least give them a few hours notice by phone like the IDF do, then reduce the "promised land" to molten slag. That should satisfy the Christian nutcases who seem to need it to be destroyed, and hopefully the Jews and Muslims will be rather less keen to live on a radioactive wasteland, thus stopping the squabbling over it.

    I reckon that suggestion makes as much sense as a lot of the stuff I've seen on the net recently.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Aug 8 2006, 01:42 PM) [snapback]299779[/snapback]</div>
    "[A] leader without combat experience."

    You mean like David Ben Gurion, Golda Meir and Menachem Begin?

    As best as I can tell, only four of Israel's eleven prime ministers would have qualified under the test which you would set for holding the office; that is if we count Bibi Netanyahu. Two were Rabin and Barak. Need I go on and continue the history lesson about their role in the peace process? Then there was Sharon. Olmert is Sharon's hand picked successor who is following his legacy to a T.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsrAmeriPrius @ Aug 9 2006, 01:48 AM) [snapback]300062[/snapback]</div>
    Begin did have combat experience.
    Ben Gurion did not need any.
    Meir caused the catastrophy that was the initial stages of the Yom Kippur War due to her lack of combat experience. Israel got real lucky on that one after having the Bar Lev line totally destroyed and the Egyptian armies massing in the Sinai (and decemating the IAF with SAM's and IDF tank forces with wire guided anti-tank missiles) and the Syrians pooring through the Golan. Only their [arab] ineptitude to wage modern face paced decentralized combat prevented Israel from going nuclear (which I am sure you know that Golda activated for use). If Israel were facing western trained armies, the game would have been over then.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Aug 9 2006, 07:59 AM) [snapback]300184[/snapback]</div>
    He did not serve in combat. Begin spend the beginning of WWII interned in Siberia. He was released to join the Polish Army of Anders in 1941 and was sent with the army to Palestine, through Persia, as the Nazis advanced into the Russian heartland. He deserted upon arrival in Palestine and became the commander, not an operative, of the Irgun Tzvai Leumi.

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Aug 9 2006, 07:59 AM) [snapback]300184[/snapback]</div>
    Golda's defense minister was Moshe Dayan. She deferred to him on all important military decisions. Don't tell me he did not have combat experience.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsrAmeriPrius @ Aug 9 2006, 11:22 AM) [snapback]300196[/snapback]</div>
    She, like Olmert, are the final deciders - both seem to be making similar mistakes - based on their lack of experience (maybe judgement) - both are surrounded by excellent officers with superior experience and ability.

    I think Olmert changing up his General in the North is preparing for the inquiry sure to follow this war - an inquiry to investigate the excessive loss of Israeli life while nothing was accomplished in the first 30 days of conflict - civilian and military-, the fact he allowed 3,000+ rockets to rain down on the north (geez they are for the FIRST time evacuating civilians from an Israeli city), the fact he was unprepared to act quicker to change the quagmire he created, that he still seems to be deferring to the UN and hoping for a "peaceful" settlement.

    If he gives back Sheba or releases prisoners in a swap deal with the Hezbo's and Hamas - game over for Israel. We will have lost whatever LITTLE deterrent we had. It will embolden Hezbo/Hamas and the bloodshed a few years from now will make this look like a cake walk.

    God help Israel and guide Mr. Olmert - he stands as the central figure that will determine Israel's survival - and I am worried about Israel's survival here/today.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Aug 9 2006, 08:56 AM) [snapback]300222[/snapback]</div>
    "WE"???

    Are you an Israeli citizen? Do you pay taxes there? Are you in the IDF reserves? Are your children serving their compulsory duty in the army? Are you sitting in a bomb shelter or a secure room as you pontificate?

    It is very easy for you and your fellow American "Super Jews" to sacrifice the lives of others and their loved ones as you sit in the safety and comfort of the diaspora.

    Learn your history. Your premise concerning combat experience is faulty. Barak, the most decorated soldier in the history of the IDF, made the decision to pull out of Lebanon. Sharon, the IDF's most brilliant tactician, evacuated the settlers from Gaza and traded Palestinian and Hezbollah prisoners for hostages and the bodies of fallen Israeli soldiers.
     
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    What the heck is a Super Jew? I'm assuming that term isn't complimentary.