Toyota Owners Jump Ship to Tesla

they don't have to stay number one, but all companies need to interpret the tea leaves with some degree of accuracy.
complacency and laziness won't succeed in a competitive environment.

 

With notable, previously mentioned exceptions to the "Douche Rule"!

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Doctors? Oh sorry, pardon my homonym! You didn't say, "patients"

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Yeah, part of the "Shanghai Shuffle"! I believe their latest model is called the "Audubon"! "Cheap, cheep, cheep like the birdies sing..." Har, har

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sorry! 45 years of bad dealers and sales people have left me tainted.

 

Is that why I wear sandals when I drive my Prime??!!

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Yes, and that explains the blisters too!!

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Can't blame ya; the inconsistency of service/ethics in commerce and politics has led to our current general cynicism.
I being the eternal (infernal, internal?) optimist, continue to march on, seeking those rare nuggets of professionalism, decency, and service; they're out there (honest!) but you do have to beat the bushes!

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Well, they show no signs of slowing down with a new Roadster, SUV, pickup, and transport vehicle all coming down the pike. As you know, every year there are rumblings about what's coming from the competition to give them a worthy challenge, and every year continues to disappoint.

 

Ever here of the EV1......

 

You seem to ignore me, Musk, and others about this.
What you state isn’t a problem for Tesla, it is exactly what they have been working towards.

 

Musk should be careful for what he wishes for, it could spell the end to Tesla. Even without competion Tesla is currently in a world of hurt.

 

I disagree with you, but that comes as no surprise
Tesla continues to face challenges. However, they are very close to reaching a sustainable point.
They need 5000/week production to reach that level.
They have surged to that point and will likely drop back to 3500-4000/week while they optimize.

The ‘world of hurt’ describes the A7, S class and series 7 sales that continue to loose market share to Tesla.
The impact of the 3 Sales will start to be felt late this year, and more sharply next year.
Which manufacturers will split up the loss of 250,000 cars?

 

Totally agree with you.

 

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This doesn't have to be an all-or-nothing scenario where Tesla is either a run-away success or disappears completely. When people like me point out the cash burn problem Tesla has, we're just debunking the runaway enthusiasm we see in the stock price and some posters on this forum. It doesn't mean that we're rooting for Tesla to fail.

 

.. and also, you can still get something resembling a Studebaker: Studebaker Avanti Becomes Avanti AVX

 

I am cheering Tesla on as it is a disruptive company that is shaking up the establishment. I love Tesla cars (for the most part, I hate the controls in the touchscreen in TM3) and how they are changing the marketplace for passenger vehicles. What I don't like is fanboy and gloom and doom behaviors. I don't like those in anything, not just cars. These behaviors simply indicate lack of perspective most of the time. Tesla has a lot of fanboy and gloom and doom behaviors around it. Other than that it's great.

The perspective that is often lost is that Tesla is on an edge of paradigm shift of transportation going electric. This means that all the problems currently exist that are part of early stage of development. If you look at a human infant you can say things like this human can't even talk or walk! What good is it? It can't support its own existence and if it's parents don't take care of it, it will die. That is the unreasonable gloom and doom thinking. Tesla is more like a teenager right now than an infant. The kind of teen (about 15-16) who thinks they know everything and all adults around them are just old fuddy duddies that don't even know what snapchat is. Teens of that age often tell tall tales, promise things they can't possibly deliver, etc. This does not mean these teens will not grow up to be wonderful adults, but at the moment most adults who had children know what's going on, others get annoyed at the obvious snark of the teen and others yet think they are a genius that is wise beyond their years. Those last ones are the fanboys in Tesla's case. Both extremes lack perspective, I think. The reality is somewhere in the middle. Tesla is a developing company that is trying really hard to change the way we power our transportation. That is not an easy task and Tesla is largely succeeding, but there is also a chance it will not succeed as a business the way it is now. There is also a chance we will not switch to electric transportation in the near future (I doubt that, but it's a possibility). For transport to go fully electric certain things need to happen in order to make "refueling" as quick, convenient and cheap as it is right now. We are not there, but I am sure we are moving towards that goal. Once we are there, Tesla will become irrelevant. It's relevance is in its disruptive role.

 

I sense some conflation. Tesla as a company has nothing to do with its cheerleaders and doomers and gloomers for the most part, so keeping them separate when discussing the viability of the company is probably a good idea. Refueling an EV at home is already more convenient than stopping at the fueling station, and the ongoing row with Iran (along with Venezuelan troubles) suggests the (slight) lull in oil prices is only a blip on the radar.

 

Since I'm one of the folks referenced in the thread title, I'm finally almost to the point where I should be taking possession 2-1/2 months after delivery and hopefully have a successful maiden voyage back home. It should be ready by Wednesday (the detailer found some more factory deficits to meticulously correct, bless him!):



Finally getting excited and optimistic again!