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Featured Honda partners on General Motors’ next gen battery development

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by Trollbait, Jun 8, 2018.

  1. Trollbait

    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    "General Motors Co. (NYSE: GM) and Honda (NYSE: HMC) announced an agreement for new advanced chemistry battery components, including the cell and module, to accelerate both companies’ plans for all-electric vehicles. The next-generation battery will deliver higher energy density, smaller packaging and faster charging capabilities for both companies’ future products, mainly for the North American market."
    Honda partners on General Motors’ next gen battery development - Automotive World
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    When I heard about this:
    • LG Chem - today's GM battery supplier is not part of the agreement
    • Honda - not a name that springs to mind as a battery innovator (abuser yes)
    • GM - capable of moments of brilliance and then lays them off and walks away (EV1)
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    As in their fuel cell partnership, I think GM is supplying most of the existing knowledge; they are the bigger company with more experience in plug ins. Also like that partnership, this will let the both of them spread the R&D costs over more models than as a single company. My guess is that Honda is mostly bringing in cash for this. The two seem happy with the FCEV partnership, and this is a natural extension of that considering all the shared components between FCEVs and plug ins.

    LG Chem supplies much of the Bolt's entire drive train. I think GM wants to move away from such sole source dependence, and bring at least some things back in house. This doesn't rule out LG Chem supplying cells for use in unique battery modules that this partnership might develop.
     
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    Source: http://www.hybridcars.com/gm-honda-partner-develop-next-gen-batteries/

    The two automakers already have a proven relationship when it comes to electrification, having established the industry’s first manufacturing joint venture for an advanced hydrogen fuel cell system set to arrive around 2020. ​

    I see Honda has a Clarity FCV in California. Where is the GM FCV?

    Now, GM and Honda will work together on new advanced chemistry battery components, including the cell and module, in hopes of accelerating both companies’ plans for all-electric vehicles.

    In a statement released by both companies, the joint venture promises to deliver a next-generation battery that features higher energy density, smaller packaging, and faster charging capabilities for future products, mainly for the North American market.    ​

    I'll believe it when I see it.

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    You probably didn't read that right.
    GM and Honda did a joint press release years ago. Neither company really thought the fcv would be viable in the next decade, so they decided to pool their patents and resources of fcv.

    Toyota pushed the market and Japanese and california governments. So Honda responded and put out what they had on their own the clarity fuel cell. The first fruits of the joint venture was clarity phev, which of course sells much better than the clarity fuel cell and mirai.

    Around 2020 honda and gm will put out a common fuel cell platform based on what both companies have learned. This timeline looks like even a better bet today than when they first proposed it, as some thought toyota actually had something up their sleeves. Neither gm or honda have wasted much money on the joint venture since it was established. This is a cost saving jv, not a we want to be first with a car that makes no sense type arrangement.
     
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