Toyota Owners Jump Ship to Tesla

I say 'cult member' in jest....but come on...some of them are..don't deny it. Elon worshipers... I'm sure if I had one, I would be too!

I'm just not sold on Tesla...yet. The value just isn't there for me. With options, almost everyone is paying far,far more that 35K for the model 3.

There are plenty that differ from my view though....obviously.

 

I guess I probably am...I'm on PriusChat right? Wow you guys really go nuts when anyone criticizes Tesla...more than a little disturbing.

 

Just having fun here too...I'm known to play the devils advocate sometimes. No worries.

And I am just a wee bit jealous of you Tesla owners. Just can't justify it right now.

 

Do you have a link to back that up or is it just your opinion?

Perhaps it beats it for the first 25 miles because Prime is a lighter car with fewer traction batteries. For someone who needs something more than a grocery getter, the model 3 is infinitely more efficient than a Prime.

Do you have a link for that or is it just your opinion?

I also wonder the same thing about the Prime. My 6 y.o. Prius Plug-In has lost 45% of the traction battery range. Tesla has a 7 year guaranty on its traction batteries. Toyota..............................?

GUILTY! Sort of like the Prius cult members on this Forum

I wonder why I might get you wrong. It will work for you sooner than you think.

 

Calling someone a 'cult member' is seen by many as a personal insult. Especially when you equate a cult members as "Elon worshipers".
Saying it, even in jest, is likely to make others defensive and argumentative. Especially on a forum where context is not always present and facial expressions, tone of voice and other non verbal cues are not present.

I don't think people take issue with criticisms of Tesla. Most people take issue with being personally insulted.

 

Ok Ok you guys...no insult was intended but it certainly can be taken that way. That term won't be used again. Is 'enthusiast' an ok term to use?

 

Sure, enthusiast is a great term. There are many others as well. On the internet especially, any term with negative connotations tends to make discussions go south, fast. Again, due to that lack of non verbal cues.

That being said, I also have no issues with your statement that the Tesla vehicles just aren't for you. That is fine, any particular car is not for everyone.

 

Point taken.

I guess I've been a little annoyed with some of Elon's comments lately...especially questions regarding financials by his investors. Seems very unprofessional to me. And that annoyance obviously rubbed off a bit in this thread. Hopefully his comments are because of his stress level and nothing more than that. I do think he is a visionary though and hope his companies succeed.

 

Yeah, he has been going off the deep end with his Tweets lately.
I attribute it to stress and frustration. None-the-less, many of those tweets shouldn't have been made.
As for the financial attacks via shorts, let them hang themselves. Just get that production up to 5k/week and then on towards 10k/week.
Those shorts that can still afford an internet connection will shut up

 

There's no reason to take banter on this thread seriously... since it makes no sense whatsoever comparing vehicles so dramatically different. They clearly don't target the same audience. Many here simply thrive on the participation, which is fine, but important not to overlook. It's that problem of normalization. Enthusiasts sharing information isn't an issue in any regard, as long as the context of what they are all aware that much of what's discussed won't apply to ordinary shoppers.

Know your audience.

 

That same article that people sharing around has some flaws on making assumptions on battery life. "CEO Elon Musk once referred to a battery pack Tesla was testing in the lab. He said that the company had simulated over 500,000 miles on it and that it was still operating at over 80% of its original capacity." Tesla Model S battery pack data shows very little capacity loss over high mileage | Electrek


Those are “simulated dyno miles” in a laboratory equivalent to easy highway miles racked up in a very short period of time. Most people drive on an average of 12k-15k miles annually which is considered normal mileage. In reality, if you drove 15k miles annually it would take you approximately 34 years to even put 500,000 miles on a car just driving it normally. The battery pack would be most likely be long dead by then and all the electronic gizmos would be none functioning like a used Mercedes. Racking up easy highway miles on a car in a short period of time is certainly not the same as driving the same car for 34 years straight. Like the Prius, its not so much on how many miles you put on a car, its the age of the battery. This test would of been more valid if it was conducted over a long term period of time such as 8 to 10 years with a prototype in all weather conditions. The computer control modules in these cars are programmed to for the battery pack to charge partially full and discharge partially empty since going through deep cycles from 0% to 100% would wear the battery cells out after a few thousand life cycles. With the Prius it's 40% empty to 80% Full. That helps extend the batteries chemistry life cycles beyond its manufacturing specs. That's is why there are 300k-400k mile Prius's racked up in a short amount of time under 7-11 years. The Prius weren't designed to be driven on the original battery for 20 years straight.

 

Then why does the traction battery on my 6 y.o. Prius Plug-In show a 45% degradation? Toyota stealership says, "not our problem."

Tesla warranty is 7 years with a MAXIMUM battery degradation of 30%.

 

you may be the only one.

 

In what way? You would have to be getting terrible gas mileage and very short range to notice that amount of degradation. Just letting your car sit for long periods of time or exposed to a lot of heat esp if you live in a very hot climate accelerates battery degradation. My 2nd gen Prius is close to 10 years old that hasn't lost much capacity with a 186,968 miles on it right now. I'm getting the same gas mileage when I bought it two years ago. Using TechStream, Block 4, 10 and 11 shows some degradation but very little. I live in the Midwest so I'm not exposed to extreme heat like AZ, CA, FL, TX. Some times these battery packs can last up to 14 years but very rare.

For Tesla, Its a 8 year warranty not 7.
The vehicle’s Battery and Drive Unit are covered under the Battery and Drive Unit Limited Warranty for a period of 8 years, with the exception of the original 60 kWh battery (manufactured before 2015) that is covered for a period of 8 years or 125,000 miles/200,000 km, whichever comes first. The rest of the car is only covered under the Basic Vehicle Limited Warranty 4 years or 50,000 miles (80,000 km), whichever comes first.

 

Oh but the rust!

 

Well that makes me feel better. But burned once, I'll never be burned again.