How much electric distance are the Primes getting?

Wait, John, don't go.....

We want to hear if you paid MSRP !
Did you???


Some people just like to do that. Or they dislike the 'Haggling' process which the current 'Dealership Model' requires.
Do they think it's a charitable act towards the Multinational Corporation that they love?

 

Back on topic, here's more real-world data with lots of detail.

It got really hot here over the weekend, so I filmed a drive out to a new location with a long consistent route. With that, you could watch the impact from using A/C.

The resulting EV distance was just shy of 27 miles, despite the hit & highway driving.

 

nice! about how many miles do you think the a/c cost you? what was the interior temp set to?

 

Not sure about distance cost. I'll make that same run again sometime when it's cooler.

Interior temp was set to "LO"

 

Interesting to see that John's traction battery did not cool down by entering HV mode.

 

95°F is not that hot for the battery, which is why some HV driving is electric-only.

I suspect it would drop some after enough driving.

 

Clarify please

 

I have seen mentions of some chemistries tolerating 120°F without any concern.

Think about how much hotter the interior of a car can actually get.

 

Ah, so you meant

As for temps, 120F can never be a good idea for a battery; and in general lower is better (to somewhere around 20F or so.) Just look at the battery life of the Nissan LEAF.
In any case my comment was not to say that 95F is problematic, but an observation that HV did not result in cooling.

 

In general, but not litium chemistries. Between just above freezing and room temperature is best.

 

Been getting near 40 - no air , back roads. Prior to getting the Prime , I had two others Prius’s with over 400,000 miles of Prius driving under my belt. It took about 2 1/2 months to get near 40.

 

Nice.

Notice how the miles/kWh is no where close to 40 miles per full charge ?
I presume two different intervals are being measured but I find the discrepancy a bit annoying.

 

Did 50 km the other day hwy driving and still had 2 km till empty when I got home. Was pretty impressed !! That being said I drove like a grama and tried my hardest to make it home without the ice coming on

 

I am consistently getting 30+ miles. If I drive without AC I might get a few more miles. The max I have reached is 32.

 

The battery is still doing a little 'give and take' when driving as a Hybrid Vehicle.
The resulting lack of cooling is probably due the the Prime not having an actual TMS system.
It only gently blows cabin air over and around the cells.

Some manufacturers do not allow the Li-Ion pack to get that warm.

Other EV's and PHEV's with a coolant based TMS would be actively cooling the battery pack before it got to 95° F.
And these cars would also warm the battery as required in the winter when plugged in or powered on.

As with the Leaf, only time will tell how cell life will be affected by the lack of TMS.

 

prime does warm the battery, and pip has enough miles to know the packs will last with the best of them.
toyota achieves it by putting in a larger battery than necessary, and using less of it.

 

I believe time has already told.

 

> How does it 'warm the battery'?
>>How is this displayed? Are there really high miles PiP's gathering data the way John does?
>>>This is the way ALL PHEV's handle the pack usage.

How can you support this statement? There are some very high mile PHEV's out there.

Even when you display usage data the way John does, is the metric: 'How many kWh used before the Gasser kicks in'?
With the upper and lower buffer of PHEV pack usage, you may see the same 'kWh before Gasser' right up until you don't.

But then,, losing 1 or 2 or 3 miles from a 6 or 25 mile EV range is not the end of the world....

Li-ion battery degradation is a fact of life. I can put an exact number on my BEV at 53k miles. Can you?

I'm just saying some manufacturers keep the pack Thermally Managed, some don't, and only time / miles will tell.

 

how many miles do you need? these cars are designed for 150-200k. pip has shown the same reliability and resilience of 20 years of prius.

pip does not pre warm the battery, prime does.