Featured Model 3 doesn't get CU recomendation

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by mikefocke, May 21, 2018.

  1. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    It is not uncommon to discover different people have different priorities:
    • non-owner reviewers - creature comforts since they flip between cars and really don't have to pay for the operational costs and real-world use.
    • owner reviewers - everyday on the road and paying the costs, they don't have other cars to compare the creature comforts.
    Years ago, I did a survey of Consumer Reports scoring versus the their 5-level scoring of individual metrics. It soon became obvious their scoring was based on seat comfort and creature comforts. Efficiency paid no part in their scores. Indeed the negative slope suggested but did not show an anti-efficiency bias BUT this could have been manufactures going light on creature comforts versus efficiency.

    Since they've had two changes in leadership, I've noticed their reviews are a little more balanced. I can't fault them for identification of the sequential, ABS problem. It is balance in their reviews versus their previous practices that makes them worth reading.

    I don't expect CR like any other car reviewer to gain clue about what real ownership means. Edmunds comes closest with their long-term reviews. It is a problem of the weekly (i.e., weakly) observers who can write off their operational costs and not truly pay the piper.

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    there isn't always a correlation between owner satisfaction and reliability.
     
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    What is consumer satisfaction based on?
     
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    Tesla needs to create a reliable voice activated system that replaces all switched activation/deactivation with voice commands. That would be a leap forward.
     
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    In what language? :)
     
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    As good as your proposal sounds, it has real world problems. Problem one is noise. Yes, the same reason why your speaker phone sounds like crap in a noisy environment. It is very difficult to (algorithmically) tell signal and noise apart in a noise environment (low Signal-to-Noise-Ratio situation).

    Reason number two has implications beyond technical. What about other people in the car saying things like lower the windows or turn on the wipers. Unwanted commands are even more difficult to tell apart from wanted ones (also an SNR issue, but not a physical one)

    Ever existing voice command interface I tried suffers from some sort of fatal flaw(s). So that option is still very much in the star trek world, whereas tactile switches are simple, tried and true.
     
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    Several prominent languages would cover 99% of typical users.

    I have a voice command system in my Corvette that's remarkably impervious to extraneous noise. On very rare occasions it will ask me to repeat a command.
     
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    In a mission critical application like car controls that is unacceptable, IMO.
     
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    Soon cars will read our minds......
     
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    Criticism is easy. Do you have any solutions to offer?
     
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    What problem are we trying to solve?
     
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    Apparently, why you're the only person on the planet who is capable of determining whether a voice command system is possible.
     
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    owners sufficiently satisfied w/all elements enough to purchase again .... our vote would have been one to drag Tesla down to 'only' a 95 score on that survey. IMO, it's Tesla's infrastructure (light years ahead of the others & still growing faster, to suppoet model 3's) that plays a huge offset in the satisfaction equasion. That makes 'em (sort of) the only game in town.
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    It's a solution looking for a problem. We've been able to operate our vehicles before voice recognition was invented. And to this day the old way remains a better way. A good old fashioned switch, knob or button that a driver can easily find without taking eyes or attention off the road and important task at hand (driving). Why do we need voice activated controls?

    And although a little different than cars, but here is a bit of news involving voice activated commands:

    Amazon has issued the following statement about why their Alexa device recorded a woman's private conversation and then emailed it to one of her friends: Echo woke up due to a word in background conversation sounding like "Alexa." Then, the subsequent conversation was heard as a "send message" request. At which point, Alexa said out loud "To whom?" At which point, the background conversation was interpreted as a name in the customers contact list. Alexa then asked out loud, "[contact name], right?" Alexa then interpreted background conversation as "right." As unlikely as this string of events is, we are evaluating options to make this case even less likely.
     
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    They're not needed. People don't always need to talk to each other. Sign language is a perfectly satisfactory way for two humans to communicate.
     
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    Much in the Motor Trends on the Model 3 and Tesla in the issue received today. Giving credit for infrastructure, but generally negative on all the points already covered in this thread. Not on their web site yet.
     
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    Neurotechnology, Elon Musk and the goal of human enhancement | Technology | The Guardian

    “He wants to directly tap into the brain to read out thoughts, effectively bypassing low-bandwidth mechanisms such as speaking or texting to convey the thoughts. This is pie-in-the-sky stuff, but Musk has the credibility to talk about these things,” he adds.

    Musk is not alone in believing that “neurotechnology” could be the next big thing. Silicon Valley is abuzz with similar projects. Bryan Johnson, for example, has also been testing “neural lace”. He founded Kernel, a startup to enhance human intelligence by developing brain implants linking people’s thoughts to computers.
     
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    Ha, I’ve always considered vampires as electronic thieves, not blood thieves, they exist by sucking a tiny bit of electricity from undisposing bipeds, now, vampires will lead the charge to free the planet away from non-existence, who wouldn’t.
     
  19. 3PriusMike

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    Maybe you've never seen a car voice system where there is a button on the steering wheel.
    You press the button, then give the voice command.
    For short phrases, the latest voice recognition in Siri, Android/Google are very good at accuracy and eliminating noise.
    Commands like A/C on, set temperature to 70, max heat, navigate to home, navigate off, should work really well and allow the driver to keep eyes on the road

    Mike
     
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    Yes, should but......

    I like the choices, in this order, that my Energi gives me: buttons/knobs/switches, or touchscreen, or voice commands. Players choice, not the house. ;)