PHEV Help: Prius Prime, Honda Clarity, or Volt

All 3 vehicles described uses CVT

 

Charge-Mode already delivers that.

 

according to his Avatar (if true) he's 106 years old. Statistically only 1 out of ~2 million+ lives that long in the N American content. Thus - the super old are entitled to say any thing they want about trannies / manufacturers etc, regardless of objective realities - & we should just say, 'ok'.

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not YOU ... The old guy critical of your comment .... bb4srv in posts 60 & 62! Your avatar doesn't show your age so I don't know how that could yet misdirected.
Yes I already know the goings-on in the various hybrid & phev's. But thank you anyways -
sheesh

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Voice commands can turn A/C on and off and set temperature.

 

The three's transmission, or transaxle, is referred to as an eCVT, which is just shorthand for saming the car's driving behavior is like that of a 'belt and cone' CVT. The Prime and Volt both have a planetary gear at its heart. The difference is in where the engine and motors connect to it.

Honda says their dual motor hybrid system doesn't have a transmission because it is a simple one speed like what a BEV would use, except that the ICE can clutch in to help at highway speeds.

Since you got the truck for hauling things, and are really just waiting for a suitable BEV, I'd go with the Volt. In addition to the longer EV range, you might be able to find a deal on a pre-owned one, and save some more for its BEV replacement.

 

If I had used what my dad went though with his Toyotas as a precedent, I never would have bought any Prii.

 

As the Ferenghi like to say:
"One for you, one hundred for me."

 

Never drove the Clarity or the Hyundai hybrids, but I will say that the Prius and Prius Prime have similarly inconsequential regeneration levels when letting go of the accelerator. One thing I really really liked about both the Volt and the Bolt - they have a paddle that you can press to enable aggressive electric regen (to me it feels a little stronger than what we get on our Model S). It's like having an on-demand electric handbrake. I really like driving "involving" cars, though so that kind of thing might be a turn off for some people.

Why not just pick up a used Volt? I saw a bunch of them with like 25k miles, CPO for like $13k last year. From what I remember of my research, they don't tend to have a ton of serious issues.

 

Better still, vote with your wallet. I've made mine

Bob Wilson

 

Predictive Efficient Drive hasn't been mentioned.

Rather than needing to decelerate yourself, Prime does it for you. The system logs the most frequent 1,000 locations you routinely decelerate for, then automatically provides initial braking using regeneration when approaching them.

In other words, the "inconsequential" statement above is false for models with that feature.

 

But that's more efficient isn't it? Light regeneration allows you to coast longer. If a car has strong coasting regeneration then you have to stay on the throttle longer when approaching a stop sign or red light. Regeneration is inefficient. It is certainly better than friction braking, however minimizing either type of braking whenever possible is the most efficient. In fact in the Gen 2 you can even turn off regeneration by letting off the throttle then press it slightly, you effectively go into neutral and can glide up to the light braking only at the end depending on how well you judged it. Of course you can't always do this in traffic. I thought I have heard that later generations don't have this capability although I'm not sure why.

When you do need regeneration or stronger regeneration the brake pedal awaits. And paddles for cars so equipped.

 

Comments here haven't been impressed with this system; it isn't predictable on when it will operate.

A well designed regen brake system will have that spot on the throttle where there is no regen for coasting like the gen2 did. This is true of most cars capable of one peddle driving. That spot id just further down than on the gen2 to allow more control over the amount of regen applied.

 

There is no reason to believe such an incredibly vague statement. Sounds more like you are just looking for an opportunity to debate.

It doesn't even make sense anyway. You can clearly see the locations plotted on the map and there is an indicator when it is about to engage.

 

I was recalling this thread, Predictive Regenerative Braking | PriusChat

 

16 posts based on an early discover is exactly what I'm talking about. You like to debate... hence your "troll bait" name... which isn't a bad thing. In fact, that's perfectly fine for drawing interest. Just don't be surprised when detail brings the generalization to a close.