Heavenly Palace

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    Aerospace page has further crumbled. Need current info!
     
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    space.com is leaving a wide open space.
     
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    We are in a news hole. If it got past S. Amer. the Ascension Island space radar could see it. But nobody (who I can find) is talking.
     
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    Per CMS, it dropped 6 km in a single orbit. That can must have been getting really hot that time around.

    Before that, it dropped 28.8 km in 23 hours.
     
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    The first time my spouse saw wild turkeys on my family's farm (they were not here during my childhood, arriving in my 40s), she gobbled at them and they gobbled right back.

    They have responded to me only by fleeing.

    I haven't yet tried calling to owls. Most of the owl calls I currently hear are on hikes in my adult home territory, not at the childhood farm. Though once I carried a housecat in from a field with an owl circling overhead, hoping for a meal opportunity.
     
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    I saw wild turkeys on N. rim Grand Canyon. Have no idea how they get food in winter,
     
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    CMS: "At 6:20 am, Apr.2,2018, Tiangong-1 stayed at an average altitude of about132.75 km .The estimated reentry time is at 8:42 am (the earliest time is at 8:24 am and the latest time is at 9:01 am ), 2 April, Beijing time. The reentry center is located at 40.4°W and 27.4°S."

    If I interpret the time zones correctly, are we now just minutes past the 9:01 closing of that window?
     
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    I added a red circle

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    Anyway, next time you have a campfire or similar, toss in some aluminium* cans, Later recover blob of metal. An unscrupulous fella might offer such on ebay as satellite debris.
     
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    is this fake news?
     
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    De-orbiting is news. As it did de-orbit, any fakeness would be secondary.

    Pacific Ocean being off the coast of Brazil would represent a more permanent condition. So this is fake geography or fake reality or something along those lines.

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    So many brain cells, received for free. With a bit of effort those could be used to construct a self-consistent internal understanding of earth, things on earth, and much more. I get it that dogs and cats can't do this. But they don't go around pretending to know stuff, so they are off the hook.
     
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    I made supper and took a nap but do remember seeing 140 km altitude on the last pass(orbit I observed rjw):
    So here is NPR: Chinese Space Lab Crashes To Earth : The Two-Way : NPR

    Scientists say the disintegrated debris that survived the fiery descent was likely small and relatively harmless, reports NPR's Rebecca Hersher.

    "The Chinese space agency had originally planned to bring the lab back in a more controlled way," Rebecca says. "But after it stopped functioning in 2016, they decided to let it fall to earth on its own."

    Interesting use of "decided." Almost as much fun as the topless, Brazilian, Pacific beaches.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    According to spaceweather.com: TIANGONG-1 UPDATE: China's Tiangong-1 space station re-entered Earth's atmosphere on April 2nd at 00:16 UTC. The spacecraft disintegrated over an uninhabited stretch of the central Pacific Ocean near 13.6 S, 164.3 W, some 4000 km south of Hawaii. So far no sightings or pictures of the fireball are available.
     
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    It is possible that sun synchronous satellites, the weather ones, might have some pixels. There are military geosynchronous satellites that might have caught the flash.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Not quite two hours before reentry, CMS reported an even lower altitude, though this may be inconsistent with other sources:

    "At 6:20 am, Apr.2,2018, Tiangong-1 stayed at an average altitude of about132.75 km ."

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    P.S. A different CMS version indicates perigee of 130.9 km, apogee of 134.6 km for that single orbit. As I posted earlier, that orbit was a 6 km drop from the previous orbit. And from the final CMS report, it appeared that the station went an additional 1 & 1/3 orbits before reentry. This suggest that the final orbit was somewhere below 126 km.
     
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