Self-driving Uber car kills pedestrian in Tempe, AZ

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  1. pilotgrrl

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    Doubtful. The guy I'm referring to was a Google engineer who decided to take TBs worth of documents with him on his way out the door over to his new job over at Uber's new AV program.

    Actually, I misspelled his last name, he's Levandowski.


    Anthony Levandowski held onto a trove of data on Alphabet’s technology even after he left the company - Recode
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    Different cameras, different days. A bulb could have been out the time of the accident.

    Either way, it doesn't matter. The car sensors didn't need ambient lighting, and lighting doesn't help if you are forcing the driver to take their eyes off the road.
     
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    good for him, too bad someone had to die first.
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    The more I learn, the more I say the problem isn't with autonomous cars, but with Uber.

    "Uber Technologies Inc. disabled the standard collision-avoidance technology in the Volvo SUV that struck and killed a woman in Arizona last week, according to the auto-parts maker that supplied the vehicle’s radar and camera."
    - Uber Disabled Volvo SUV's Safety System Before Fatality (1) - SFGate

    Look to history, and that is usually the case.
    Guard rails get put up after a fatal accident.
    The majority of advances in aviation safety are because of studying and learning from the accidents.
     
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    if you make a concerted attempt at safety before beginning a program, and something bad happens, it may be unavoidable.
    if you make little to none, and just run headlong into the future, it's almost predictable.
     
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    It sounds like Waymo and the others working on this are of the former. Which doesn't excuse government of dropping the ball on oversight.

    Uber is the latter in trying to play catch up with Waymo. This should be reflecting on them, and not autonomous cars in general, for that reason.
     
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    agreed, and hopefully will wake up some legislators to the potential dangers of self regulation.
     
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    Like I said...

     
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    When Uber changed over to the Volvos as its central AV to platform, they took most of the lidars out of the system.

    The new Uber driverless vehicle is armed with only one roof-mounted lidar sensor compared with seven lidar units on the older Ford Fusion models Uber employed, according to diagrams prepared by Uber.

    In scaling back to a single lidar on the Volvo, Uber introduced a blind zone around the perimeter of the SUV that cannot fully detect pedestrians, according to interviews with former employees and Raj Rajkumar, the head of Carnegie Mellon University's transportation center who has been working on self-driving technology for over a decade.

    The lidar system made by Velodyne - one of the top suppliers of sensors for self-driving vehicles - sees objects in a 360-degree circle around the car, but has a narrow vertical range that prevents it from detecting obstacles low to the ground, according to information on Velodyne’s website as well as former employees who operated the Uber SUVs.

    Autonomous vehicles operated by rivals Waymo, Alphabet Inc's self-driving vehicle unit, have six lidar sensors, while General Motors Co's vehicle contains five, according to information from the companies.

    Uber declined to comment on its decision to reduce its lidar count.

    Reuters: Uber’s use of fewer safety sensors prompts questions after Arizona crash.

    http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIwnf6OhDg

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    criminal charges to follow?
     
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    In addition to that the Volvo SUV is taller adding to the blind spot area.
     
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    Was that the whiff of Rattus I detect?


    Remember the Dodo....?
     
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    The earlier Fusion test cars used seven lidars, seven radars and 20 cameras. The newer Volvo test vehicles use a single lidar, 10 radars and seven cameras, Uber said.
     
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    And they had the factory collision detection disabled. :rolleyes:
     
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    ...no wonder Uber immediately suspended it's program upon having the accident...they had a clue it was a bigger problem...

    I want to say bean counters will always value profits over doing things right...but that's unfair I suppose
     
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    sometimes is, sometimes isn't. definitely fair where safety is concerned.
     
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    Maybe the accident finally got them to face the fact that their system is not streetworthy. Reducing the number of LIDARs on the car, disabling the built-in system and being unable to achieve a target of 13 miles per intervention is an epic fail.

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    It looks like "defective software" contributed to the local death of a 16 year old student using a school crosswalk yesterday afternoon and was hit by a older model silver jeep.

    "Assistant Police Chief Mark Schauer said the driver ran a red light at the intersection of Staples Street and Mustang Trail and hit the students. Public Information Officer Gena Pena said it appears speed was also a factor. The 16-year-old girl died at the scene".

    More about the "defective" driver: "Records show Holmes has a string of arrests and convictions in Nueces County dating back to 1993.The cases include driving while intoxicated and drug possession, according to online court records." The story goes on to list two more paragraphs about his criminal record. He also fled the scene but lived nearby and was soon arrested.

    Autonomous systems can learn from mistakes, some humans..... not so much.
     
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