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Significant Drop in Gas Mileage

Discussion in 'Prius v Fuel Economy' started by Hello123, Mar 4, 2018.

  1. Hello123

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    I was wondering if anyone else has had a similar experience and if they could provide some guidance?

    We noticed a significant drop in gas mileage in our 2012 Prius V after driving the vehicle for about a year and a half. We purchased the Prius V brand new from the dealership. The car started out at 4.8 L/ 100 Km (we live in Canada so everything is L/100 Km.) The car was sold with the specifications of 4.5L/100 km so we thought 4.8L/100 km was pretty good. After about a year and a half the gas mileage oddly started to rise. Nothing changed in our driving habits. Our weather has been seasonally consistent, we have not had any unusual winds changes, and change our tires regularly with the same brand. We are at a loss as to why our Prius V keeps getting worse gas mileage. It slowly went to 5.8 L/100 Km and currently sits at 6.3 L/100 Km. Our Toyota service center tested the vehicle and said everything is fine. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what we can do get our Prius V gas mileage back to 4.8 L/100 km?
     
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    Does Canada use ethanol in gasoline? Have you changed gasoline stations or brands? Has your gas station changed suppliers? How is tire pressure and wear? Lots of variables.
     
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    What time of year did you buy?
    What's your typical trip length?
    Are you checking your tire pressures, and what are they set at?
    Any recent brake work?

    "Markham", basically a Toronto, Ontario, Canada area, can get pretty cold this time of year. Couple that with short trips, your mileage will be down.
     
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    Some good points. I was concerned as well and did a little looking into the same questions a few years back. Canada gas producer do put ethanol in their gas and have been since the 1980. There has not been a change in in ethanol mix in the last 20 years so I ruled this concern out as a effect on our Prius V gas mileage decline. We get our gas at the same gas station as we collect aeroplan points. It is a brand name gas station so I would imagine they use their own gas refineries and it would be consistently produced. We have always used supreme unleaded Octane 91 so am pretty sure it's not the gas type. We regularly change our tires and have used the same tires the car originally came with. I am a worrier and have my husband check the tire pressure on a regularly basis. He rarely has to top up the air. We appreciate your reply. Still trying to figure out the gas milage drop. Hopefully someone might have a good idea?
     
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    I am surprised you did not ask about brake pin lube :D
     
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    Welcome!
    I am originally from the Toronto area and lived quite a while near Markham Rd / Hwy 48 in Scarborough. I moved down here in 1980.
    I know here my son finds the winter fuel blend reduces his Prius v fuel economy in addition to temperature changes.
    How many Km on the car now?
     
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    "Someone" has supplied a "good idea" already.

    I encourage you to NOT fret over this too much until summer returns.
    Winter blend gas coupled with the colder weather can have a substantial impact on fuel usage.

    But......how exactly are you measuring your fuel usage ?

    The ONLY method that is anywhere close to being accurate is: Logging distance driven and fuel put into tank over several fill-ups.

    P.S. And I missed the part about using "premium" gas. There is absolutely NO reason to do that. NONE. It is possible that your favorite company has started adding ethanol to it's 91 octane product.
     
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    I think you'd be fine with lowest octane; that's what the Owner's Manual recommends. Higher octane is ONLY warranted in high compression engines, to reduce the risk of pre-ignition (it's harder to ignite) and is mostly a waste of money. The one upside, to higher octane gas in Canada: they tend to reduce the amount of ethanol in it.

    It'd be good to hear back from you: how long are your trips. Short trips in TO in winter will kill mpg.
     
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    I agree, switch to regular gas.
     
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    Some good feed back. The breaks are checked yearly at our Toyota dealership and maintained as required. We ruled out the breaks having an effect on the gas mileage. The Prius V has been driven consistently. After the spike in gas usage after 1.5 years of driving our new Prius V we have seen consistency for the last 4 winter and the last 4 summer of 6.3 L/100Km in the winter and 6.1 L /100 Km in the summer. I used the L/100 km rating given in the car dashboard display. My husband tracked it manually for two years. We did not find any difference from the car dashboard display and the manual table my husband created. Since the manual table (distance driven vs gas put into the gas tank) and the gas mileage display were the same we just use the gas mileage display on the dash board now. Is this something rare? Has anyone else with a 2012 Prius V had a similar big spike in gas usage? Would like to hear how you fixed the issue?
     
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    We could change to regular gas but I wonder if that would add variability to the issue at hand? We had a spike in gas use from 4.5 L/ 100 km to 6.3 L/100 km always using the same gas. Why would the gas consumption after a year and a half all of a sudden spike up? The gas we used was consistent. I wonder if we can rule out gas having a effect on gas consumption if it stayed the same since we purchased the car brand new?
     
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    You changed the tires with the same brand, but if they were slightly different in outer diameter size, the speed and distance displayed on the dash may no longer be accurate.
     
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    I'll try one more time, then it's back to FreeCell for me:

    How long are your typical trips?
     
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    We have always used the same tires over the years. We purchased all our the same tires from our Toyota dealership. No change to our tires. I think we can rule out tires or tire pressure having a effect on our poor gas mileage over the years 4.5 L/100 km spike to 6.3 L/100 Km. My husband told me tire pressure could be a big contributor in spike in gas usage on our Prius V. That is why I had him check and log the tire pressure on a regular basis.
     
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    Short trips can reduce fuel economy drastically.
     
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    My husband drives the car 52 Km to work. He starts early at 5:30 am. He drives mostly highway and at a consistent 100 - 110 Km/hour as rush hour has not started. He drives home at 2:45 am and does 90 to 100 Km/Hour as he is ahead of traffic. The 52 Km home is also mostly highway. Would that have an effect on the change in gas mileage from 4.5 L/100 Km to 6.3 L/100km?
     
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    Longer trips, that's good. Sustained high speeds though, are tough on mpg, very linear relationship.
     
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    What do you mean sustained high speeds are tough on mpg, very linear relationship? My husband has been driving the same route at much the same speed (100 Km/hour approximately 60 mile/hour) since we owned the car. What are you suggesting will help get our mileage back down to 4.5 L/100 km from where it is now 6.3 L/100Km?
     
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    Well, if the car's always been driven around the same speed, it wouldn't be changing fuel consumption, all by itself. But there's a very direct corellation between increased speed and increased fuel consumption:

    Updated MPG vs MPH chart | PriusChat

    The Prius is not impervious to winter, both as a direct consequence of colder ambient trips, greater rolling resistance in rain and snow, more heater use, and secondly, due to the car monitoring ambient temperatures, and purposely adjusting warm-up sequences, thresholds, what have you.

    To get better fuel economy, in general?

    1. Slow down.
    2. Reduce your cabin heat demands.
    3. Raise tire pressures, a few pounds.
    4. Avoid or consolidated short trips.
    5. Consider a block heater install.
     
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    Two important details: The specific year and model probably isn't too important in this discussion. And what others have done in similar situations might not be either.......but similar experiences from other Prius owners might give you ideas about what to check.

    Ruling out things based only on theory probably is not a good thing to do. The brakes should be checked.

    I suggest that you visit a different dealer.......and explain to them IN DETAIL what you have told us.
    I now agree that your situation probably is not "normal".

    And one final thought:
    Think back to the specific time that you first noticed this difference in fuel usage. Then try to remember what was changed right BEFORE THAT. New tires......a service visit.....a sudden and severe cold snap.......a new fuel cap........because very often the last thing TOUCHED turns out to be a major clue as to the cause.

    And one more thing: If you still have the original 12 V battery you should consider replacing it. 6 years is about the point where the failure rate starts going up rapidly.
     
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