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Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by bwilson4web, Jan 5, 2018.

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  1. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Another excellent report by Jeff Cobb's team: http://www.hybridcars.com/december-2017-dashboard/

    model 12/15/17 11/15/17 10/15/17 09/15/17
    1 Prius Liftback 5401 4787 4532 5722
    2 RAV4 4846 4349 5012 5759
    3 Model S 4800 1400 1100 4500
    4 Transit Diesel 4333 3798 3602 4741
    5 Fusion Hybrid 4169 3541 5087 6326
    6 Model X 3400 1800 900 3400
    7 Bolt EV 3227 2987 2781 2632
    8 Camry Hybrid 2913 2703 1897 2090
    9 Prius Prime 2420 1834 1626 1899
    10 Niro Hybrid 2397 2235 1935 2554
    11 Ram Pickup Diesel 2147 1417 1712 1137
    12 Volt 1937 1702 1362 1453
    13 Highlander Hybrid 1606 1393 1266 1500
    14 Accord Hybrid 1160 1586 1832 2278
    15 Model 3 1050 350 150 120
    16 Optima Hybrid 1007 1404 705 396
    17 C-Max Hybrid 980 939 1092 820
    18 RX 400 / 450 h 967 753 675 835
    19 Prius C 954 854 900 937
    20 Clarity Plug In 898
    21 Fusion Energi 875 731 741 763
    22 X5 832 929 329 333
    23 Ioniq Hybrid 829 939 870 1101
    24 NX Hybrid 731 431 190 189
    25 Prius V 707 674 652 728
    26 5-Series Plug in 706 872 596 511
    27 i3 672 283 667 538
    28 X5 Diesel 597 384 257 366
    29 Colorado Diesel 557 594 956 832
    30 ES Hybrid 549 508 355 424
    31 Sonata 543 535 523 866
    32 Clarity BEV 527 464 34 52
    33 MKZ 495 446 405 435
    34 Avalon Hybrid 446 329 375 398
    35 C-Max Energi 436 523 569 683
    36 Rogue Hybrid 402 361 303
    37 XC90 Plug In 368 204 174 236
    38 3-Series Plug in 363 477 307 329
    39 Canyon Diesel 363 241 304 356
    40 e-Golf 343 289 203 187
    41 Mirai 296 249 249 184
    42 Malibu Hybrid 283 283 300 499
    43 Q7 Diesel 276 9 0 0
    44 A3 Plug In 270 38 17 85
    45 Cruze Diesel 256 188 207 260
    46 Terrain Diesel 234 148 64 24
    47 MDX Hybrid 228 301 203 239
    48 Pacifica 223 264 152 450
    49 Soul EV 204 207 210 255
    50 Sierra Hybrid 202 222 135 2992
    51 500e 200 235 240 305
    52 Range Rover Sport 197 190 187 268
    53 3-Series Diesel 191 149 138 153
    54 F-Pace 175 125 109 126
    55 XC60 Plug In 174 82 100 97
    56 Cayenne Diesel 136
    57 Optima Plug In 134 213 235 228
    58 forTwo EV 129 68 73 123
    59 Range Rover Velar 126 103 84 60
    60 Range Rover 118 145 144 183
    61 Focus EV 113 121 115 131
    62 Sonata Plug In 103 91 110 175
    63 Leaf 102 175 213 1055
    64 GLE 550e Plug In Hybrid 82
    65 i8 80 44 33 27
    66 Ioniq EV 79 23 28 36
    67 Countryman Plug In 72 96 56 80
    68 RLX Hybrid 69 36 26 18
    69 7-Series Plug in 67 120 55 43
    70 NSX Hybrid 56 83 87 26
    71 Q50 Hybrid 56 43 0 33
    72 Lacrosse Hybrid 55 300 44 4
    73 S90 Plug In 52 32 28
    74 XE 51 54 70 79
    75 Passat Diesel 42 46 103 184
    76 XF 37 68 143 154
    77 CT6 35 29 27 27
    78 Promaster Van Diesel 34 26 26 36
    79 B-Class Electric 31 31 59 87
    80 S550 Plug In 26 22 16 35
    81 Cayenne S E-Hybrid 23 38 73 124
    82 CR-Z 19 17 18 27
    83 Golf Sportwagon Diesel 18 25 129 75
    84 Jetta Diesel 16 8 58 45
    85 C350We Plug-in Hybrid 14 16 49 126
    86 LC 500h 12 9 15 16
    87 CT200h 9 8 10 91
    88 A3 Diesel 7 7 5 9
    89 Beetle Diesel 6 15 11 19
    90 Q70 Hybrid 4 4 4 5
    91 Golf Diesel 3 6 28 16
    92 GS 450h 3 1 0 5
    93 Spark 2 7 0 0
    94 Civic Hybrid 2 1 2 2
    95 Tucson 1 0 3 3
    96 Panamera S E-Hybrid 0 5 2 1
    97 GL-Class Diesel 0 1 3 3
    98 ML Class Diesel 0 1 2 1
    99 GLE-Class Diesel 0 1 1 2
    100 Jetta Hybrid 0 0 1 1
    101 Clarity 0 0 0 14
    102 E-Class Diesel 0 0 0 1

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    • Tesla Model X and S more than 8,000 units and no one noticed because only 1000 Model 3
    • Strange linear Bolt sales, good thing no one is 'cooking the books'
    Bob Wilson
     
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  2. bisco

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    thank you bob, nice to see model 3 crack a thousand.(y)

    i wonder if the clarity will put the kibosh on accord hybrid?
     
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    What’s really weird is, one can only lease. The Clarity.
     
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    yeah, i don't get that.
     
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    I assume the December plug-in sales were up due to panic over possible loss of Federal tax credits. Presumably we may see a dip in Jan/Feb for the opposite reason (the tax credits are still the same)..
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    The BEV and FCEV are lease only, and are also only in California. The nationwide PHEV can be bought.

    I don't see the PHEV hurting the Accord hybrid sales much. There'll be some that might get it because incentives make it less than the Accord, but if they don't want a plug, the Accord is the only option.

    They would have spiked just because of people buying them for tax time.
     
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    This is probably not panic at all. It is simply seasonality. 11,000 more plug ins were sold in december 2016 than november. In 2017 the december spike was less at 9,000 more than november. The reason for less of a spike may be that people were waiting for the model 3, new leaf, and more bolt inventory. We will see a January and February drop in plug-ins as we have every year. March will be the key month as we will see if tesla can actually make a lot of model 3s and if the other car makers have 2018 inventory at the right dealerships.
     
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    Unfortunately in a 4 month tally, seasonal variations get completely lost.
    Looking at year over year sales data, there is always a peak at the end of the year, and a slump at the start of the year.
    Generally January sales of plugin vehicles as a whole, is about half of the preceding December.
    This year may be a bit different with the Model 3 production ramping up and the January release of the 2nd gen Leaf. We should see soon :)
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    This is true even for non-plug ins. At least in the past when new model years arrived to the dealers closer to the end of the year, and the last year models needed to be cleared off.
     
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    January will see another slump. Non-tesla dealers are incentive to sell at the end of the year, and the tax credit helps them with plug-ins. Some plug-ins have inventory of last years models that they discount.

    In tesla land, they export more model S and X production in January, as it takes time to ship, and they want to recognize revenue in the quarter. This shifts to more domestic deliveries in March. The model 3 increased production won't be enough to make up for it. They are still having problems at the factory, but I expect march will be a big month for the model 3 sales, but they may manage them in the US so they don't cross 200,000 vehicle until april. That will give them 3 full months more of tax credits, versus going over the limit in march.
     
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    ^^^OK sure normal year-end, but if you read the Toyota Prime posts here, we had several folks rushing to buy due to tax bill., and Prime does look good for December.
     
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    Sure prime sales were likely increased by the fear, but that is only a tiny part of the plug-in market. Prime sales in December were 586 units more than November. Even if all of that was the fear of tax credit leaving its only 2% of plug-in sales in december.
     
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    Oh, absolutely!
    I wasn’t clear. I don’t expect there to be no slump. Just that the expanding availability of the Bolt (hopefully), the quick release of the second gen Leaf (again, a hope) and the increasing production of the Model 3 will make the slump less than it normally is.
     
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    Go Camry, GO! :)
     
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    You are suggesting Toyota Prime buyers were the only plug-in buyers with concern about the tax law changes.
    Could be true, we certainly had a lot of concern on these pages. I just assumed that was common to all plug-ins.
     
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    agreed, i doubt prime buyers were any different than other plug in buyers who could take advantage of the tax credit.
    how many? no way of knowing.
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Of course not. It was "THE IONIQ IS COMING!"
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    The video version:


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    I am suggesting that model 3 and leaf potential customers hurt december sales because they did not fear enough to buy a different car because there choice was not available. Fear didn't help sales as much as lack of availability of the 2018 leaf, model 3, clarity phev, etc. hurt sales. You can't say the fear helped many of the other cars since the ford energis, volt, tesla model S, tesla model X, etc did worse in December 2017 versus December 2016.

    Which means that yes, prime buyers were different than volt and ford energi buyers, they bought more, and different than those that pushed the purchase until 2018 waiting for a model 3, or 40 kwh leaf, or clarity phev. December 2017 was higher than 2016 by a smaller percentage than most months last year.
     
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    do we know how many model 3 potential customers gave up and bought something else?
     
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    No but it likely was not a high percentage. Remember few of us expected to be able to buy the car in 2017, it was always 2018, but I expected to be able to order by now, and that is delayed, but should be soon.

    We do have some of the new January numbers. It looks like its shaping up to be a lot like last year.
    January 2018 Plug-In Electric Vehicle Sales Report Card
     
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