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Temperature Control Unit - Celcius Conversions

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Accessories and Modifications' started by StephenBA, Dec 29, 2017.

  1. StephenBA

    StephenBA Junior Member

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    I purchased a spare Temperature Control Unit for my 2014 Prius (PN: 75D726) for the purpose of exploring the conversion from Fahrenheit to Celsius. If we look closely at the following image of the Prius' Temperature Control Unit from other online sources (France) and compare it to the Fahrenheit version we're accustom to you may notice the "C" for Celsius is positioned directly above the "F":

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    My line of reasoning is that both variants use the same module while one or the other has a pin crossed to change the temperature units of measurement on the display.

    I have disassembled my spare unit in order to try to identify a possible location. Nothing stands out to me yet - does anyone see anything interesting?

    Below is the bare board, and this link is a small album of other related images to the disassembled unit.

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    Maybe this is an option you can change with techstream? Seems simple enough
     
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    I can't say conclusively whether or not Techstream would toggle the temperature units, based on what I have found on Google it does not appear possible to control with Techstream. (n)
     
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    That's the beauty of firmware. Identical hardware, completely different programming. We know that the MFD is hard-programmed with the geographic data like language and temperature for that region. My guess would be that something like the radio is also hard programmed.

    You could most likely read the firmware out with the proper programmer, modify the hex, reprogram the MCU, and voila it will be celcius. Probably one bit in the entire hex. The problem is finding the bit.

    The good news is you have both boards. If you can identify the MCU, you can maybe find the pinout and type of programmer. Then maybe read the hex out, compare the two, and see what the differences are.
     
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    One of our members figured out how to reprogram the TPMS module for 5 tires so he could have the spare tire included. We cannot tell much from that complicated circuit board except to say it is a well-made marvel of miniature surface mounted components. and the bigger chip(s) probably hold a lot of computer code.
     
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    That's not really reprogramming. Toyota TPMS should be able to register 7 sensors. It's just using techstream.

    Looking at the supplied image you can clearly see a crystal leading into the microcontroller. It's firmware driven.

    Pins are also extremely expensive, especially in an automotive environment. For AECQ type qualifications you have to design and prove that any pin to any surrounding pin shorted isn't a problem. Also all the ways things can die. For automotive, each pin is a giant PITA. If you can put it in firmware, it is much easier to certify the code. Still a pain, but much easier since there aren't environmental problems...
     
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    It was reprogramming I think...he sent code to the TPMS system...Techstream does not allow fiddling with TPMS config, at least without special commands we would not be aware of, for Gen2 anyways
     
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    From the logo silkscreened on the board and molded into the plastic chassis, I think the A/C control assembly in your photos—which are pretty good, by the way—was made for Toyota by Tokai Rika Co., Ltd., or one of its affiliates. I doubt they’ve published any information about it, however.

    Considering the number of units that would have been made and the lack of other ICs on the board, the 100-pin QFP IC in the center is probably an application-specific integrated circuit (ASIC), a custom chip produced specifically for the A/C control assembly on the Prius and perhaps other vehicles, with an integrated microcontroller, memory, LIN bus interface, LCD and LED drivers, and switch inputs.

    The connector pinout is in the Repair Manual, available by subscription to techinfo.toyota.com:

    2 (TX+) LIN communication signal
    3 (SWO) Steering pad switch assembly signal
    5 (IG+) Power
    6 (ILL+) Illumination power
    7 (ILL-) Illumination ground
    8 (GND) Ground​

    The Repair Manual also has a System Diagram page, with a block diagram showing how a different part, the A/C amplifier, is connected to the sensors, actuators, and other ECUs on the car, and a summary of the LIN communication from the A/C amplifier to the A/C control assembly:

    Ambient temperature indicator signal
    MODE indication signal
    Blower level indication signal
    Set temperature indication signal​

    and from the A/C control assembly to the A/C amplifier:

    AUTO switch signal
    A/C switch signal
    Fr DEF switch signal
    Rr DEF switch signal
    MODE switch signal
    REC/FRS switch signal
    Micro dust and pollen filter mode switch signal
    Blower switch signal (FAN+, FAN-, OFF)
    Set temperature switch signal (UP, DOWN)​

    It’s clear that the A/C amplifier is the brains of the operation, doing the actual control functions; despite its name, the A/C control assembly just has the switches and indicators.

    Toyota’s Electronic Parts Catalog gives the same part number for the A/C control assembly (55900-47120) on U.S., Canadian, and LHD European models, which show the temperature in different units. Toyota’s practice seems to be to assign different part numbers for different firmware, since dealers aren’t expected to do reprogramming when replacing parts, so I expect the LIN temperature indication signals from the A/C amplifier to the A/C control assembly tell it whether the readout should be in Celsius or Fahrenheit.

    That may not be the end of the story, however: the A/C amplifier part numbers also seem to be common between the U.S., Canada, Europe, and Japan:

    U.S.
    88650-47310 ZVW30..G,S MOON ROOF-WITH(SOLAR PANEL)
    88650-47330 ZVW30

    Canada
    88650-47310 ZVW30..G,S MOON ROOF-WITH(SOLAR PANEL)
    88650-47330 ZVW30

    Europe
    88650-47300 ZVW30..ARL,EUR MOON ROOF-WITH(SOLAR PANEL)
    88650-47310 ZVW30..LHD COLD AREA SPEC&MOON ROOF-WITH(SOLAR PANEL)
    88650-47320 ZVW30..ARL,EUR
    88650-47330 ZVW30..LHD COLD AREA SPEC

    Japan
    88650-47300 ZVW30..G..CBU ムーンルーフ-有り(ソーラパネル)
    88650-47310 ZVW30..G..CBU 寒冷地仕様(有り(リヤフォグランプ))&ムーンルーフ-有 り(ソーラパネル)
    88650-47320 ZVW30..CBU
    88650-47330 ZVW30..CBU 寒冷地仕様(有り(リヤフォグランプ))​

    It’s not described in the Repair Manual, but if I had to guess, the A/C amplifier selects the temperature units based on information it receives from another ECU on the car, like the combination meter or the multiplex network body ECU, that would have different firmware in different regions. That’s how I would design it, anyway, to minimize the number of different parts.
     
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  9. StephenBA

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    This is still a nuisance for me. I recently received a Temperature Control Unit for my 2014 Prius (PN: 75D726) from Canada, purchased on eBay — no success.

    As Elektroingenieur suggests, this is external to the TCU. Upon powering up the all-too-familiar freedom units were once again displayed on my TCU. This was after realizing the Canadian unit had a different plug (same pinout) and swapping the original plug over to the Canadian unit with surface mount soldering.

    I suspect the display unit is determined by either the ambient temperature sensor or the A/C amplifier. Is this the end of my journey? We'll see in another 5 years...