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Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by Prodigyplace, Dec 26, 2017.

  1. Prodigyplace

    Prodigyplace 2025 Camry XLE FWD

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    paprius4030 My first Prius

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    It's parked next to the Estima minivan that should have been here years ago.
     
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    earth to toyota, come in toyota, we're melting while you fiddle...
     
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    What was that recent news about electrified cars? 2025 was it?

    So maybe we'll see one for the next gen Tacoma. (10 years sounds about right for a generation of Tacoma... at least the current one)
     
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    You should have written to Santa Claus some days ago...too late now for the elfs to build the gift, wait one more year?
     
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    You must be new here. As @Tideland Prius said it is likely to be at least 10 years. That is an eternity for Musk and Tesla.
     
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    Maybe the Tesla Musk just sent to space flies around Santa's sleigh...
     
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    Elon Musk is kinda like Kim!?

    Well, the electrified arms race is already on, and 2018 would be the hottest.

    But I really wished Toyota stick with other lineups, and forget about electrifying a Tacoma.

    I know Americans, like boom!!! cars, but I think there are many gasoline powered ones still available? Except maybe, there isn't incentives from the government.
     
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    lol.

    Well I'm basing it on the fact that the Tacoma is only on its 3rd generation in 20 years (10 years per generation). Since the current one was launched in 2015 or 2016, then 2025 would put it right around the time for replacement and line up with the electrified goal.
     
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    Prodigyplace 2025 Camry XLE FWD

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    Wouldn't the RAV-4 Hybrid system work in a Tacoma?
     
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    I don't have an engineering degree but my guess is no.

    Toyota will need to have a separate truck hybrid system. The R4h or HiHy system is too light-duty. (You can check out the RAV4 vs. R4h AWD system to see the notable difference between the two). Alex explains it well.




    Also

     
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    My limited understanding of the HSD and similar types of parallel hybrids is they don't handle large amounts of torque as well as serial hybrids (diesel-electric trains for example).
     
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    I seem to recall, a number of years ago when the Hybrid Camry was being developed, that their next project was supposed to be a Hybrid Tundra.
    Since then, both Tundra & Tacoma have grown, so the current equivalent would be a Hybrid Tacoma.

    This article seems to indicate a Hybrid pickup is a possibility.
    Toyota to Update Body-on-Frame Models, Considers Hybrid Truck - Motor Trend
     
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    I think it's just a question of proper sizing, PSD can work in a pickup, but there is aquestion of price.

    Toyota does have a Hybrid truck - Hino, but it's not PSD, it's normal automatic with electric motor between engine and transmassion.

    I'm waiting for Hilux hybrid, but just as Tacoma it's more or less on a 10 year cycle, and current generation was out in 2015.
     
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    I thought that was when Toyota and Ford had that partnership? I assume it was dead when they broke up. (well at least that path anyway. There's no reason that Toyota can't develop a Tundra Hybrid separately).


    There is a multi-stage hybrid that's being used in the LSh and LCh. It has a 4-speed automatic and a PSD for a total of 10 speeds. I assume it can do some truck duty with the conventional automatic in place.
     
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    Maybe people around here would buy Tacoma hybrids if they were built in the San Antonio plant.
     
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    My coworker loves his Tacoma. His previous vehicle was a Camry.
     
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    I'd sell my current 2013 Tacoma for a hybrid version. Heck, I'd even drive to San Antonio to buy it off of the factory floor. :)

    Would look great parked next to my Prius, or maybe next to my future hybrid Camry... (y)
     
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    Ford has said it will have it's f150 hybrid for the 2020 or 2021 model year. That means it probably is close to complete.

    The LS system is really heavy, making it need much more expensive motors to simply move itself in hybrid mode. My guess is build the system for a pick up much like porsche did with the 918 way back in 2013 - 2kwh lithium battery of the same type that is in the camry le hybrid or ford fusion hybrid (which ever is more advanced they may be the same) pumping out a max of around 65 kw. Then add a 50 kw pancake motor between the engine and transmission . Put a 90 kw motor on the front axle for awd and regen and you have a awd combination that can probably compete well with price and performance of a mechanical system but gives the benefit of better fuel economy. My guess is paired with the 2.7 liter turbo v6 it would give about 400 hp.
     
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    I would very much like the PSD style hybrid, but it probably won't happen because of cost to make it work under full load (towing) conditions.
     
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