Activated carbon cabin filter: carbon side up or down?

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  1. Josh Lyman

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    Air flows from top to bottom, and orientation doesn't matter for paper-only cabin filters. FRAM has admitted that aftermarket filter orientation is inconsistent and often incorrect. But that's not what I'm here to talk about.

    If your cabin filter has activated carbon on one side, should the air flow into or out of that side? Conventional wisdom says paper side first so it can catch large debris, letting the small odor particles get captured by the carbon side on the way out. However, this only makes sense if you have a multi-stage filter with space between the stages, neither of which applies to cabin filters.

    I've also seen people say that having the paper side first allows dirt to collect on it, leaving the carbon side "cleaner" to collect odors, but the filter media is so thin that any dirt on the paper side would block the carbon directly behind it from cleaning the air passing through.

    Finally, since the filtering compartment isn't airtight, odors would be able to collect onto the paper and disperse without being captured by the carbon.

    However, if the carbon side comes first, odors are adsorbed directly into it, the only reason you got a activated carbon filter in the first place.

    Thoughts?
     
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    is there no flow direction arrow on the side? is it a toyota?
     
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    There is, but that arrow doesn't matter because FRAM has admitted to their arrow pointing in the "wrong" direction. Some people have said customer service told them to install with the carbon pointing up and others have ended up with the carbon pointing down.

    I'm trying to bypass the apparent stupidity of everyone involved by determining scientifically which orientation is better, regardless of marketing fails and incompetent arrow printing.
     
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    maybe take a look at an oem, they likely know what they're doing.
     
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    I thought the Gen 2 filter could only be pointed one way; one side is flat and wedged into the plastic tray.
     
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    that's the great thing about fram, the flexible design allows you to install it incorrectly. plus, they fit so poorly, unfiltered air is allowed through.(y)
     
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    I accidentally put mine in the wrong way on our '12 v. I have several Fresh Breeze filters for different vehicles, and decided to compare it with the others.

    I believe arrow points up IIRC. Does it say "UP"?

    I won't get home until Aug 9 to check I'm afraid.
     
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    Fram has a dose of baking soda as well. We use baking soda in our refrigerator for odors....

    Mann Frecious Plus has a polyphenol layer for alergenics. Learned about the line somewhat recently...
     
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    Not a bad idea, but either Toyota's carbon filters have carbon on both sides or they also can't decide if they want charcoal up:
    [​IMG]

    Or charcoal down:
    [​IMG]
     
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    hmm, maybe they impregnate the whole thing.
     
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    I put the carbon side on the "clean" side.
     
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    I only use Toyota OEM filters. A couple extra bucks is not going to break the bank. And it has an arrow on it that tells you which way is up.

    Better yet, I just keep a can of Febreze in the car. :)
     
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    I'm concerned with carbon flowing into the air tunnels...

    But, OEM UP means UP, and I think Fram followed that, opposite to flow, which are the way most arrows are pointed. (It took me a few months at least to think to try and compare with the others I had). One surface of the Fram is white. One on the Frecious Plus is yellow.
     
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    Pictures sometimes aren't clear. I usually switch the OEM one for the Fresh Breeze or (now that I know about it) Frecious Plus. But some mention is made that they are not really effective and do seem to decrease flow. At least with the Fresh Breeze, I can somewhat notice it. Not using the car with the Frecious Plus much, but didn't notice decrease of flow the little I did.

    Even with the OEM Toyota filter, one side seems lighter than the other, no?
     
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    If that's true, that still doesn't help the rest of us who only have 1 carbon side. :(
     
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    Let's resolve this now, as I have been a Fram Fresh Breeze customer for a while. (Even bought a big one for an '08 E90).

    Fram is consistent, and here's the proof. I have two in stock:[​IMG]
     
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    The HEPA one looks like something for me to look into as well....
     
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    This is the side air flows out, clean side:[​IMG]
     
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    Just changed mine, the old filter has an UP arrow. The new one has an arrow stating air flow direction. Can anyone clarify air flow direction for me? I'm guessing it may not even matter since its all paper
     
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