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Started my Prius after 17 day vacation, error P080A

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by MB31, Jun 29, 2017.

  1. Sam Spade

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    This is hard to do .......at an airport !! ;)
     
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    The 11.7 is not necessarily good.
    Anything below about 12.3 or so indicates that the battery is highly suspect.

    And the 14.3 is the output of the charging system and has little or nothing to do with the battery itself.
     
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    Not where I long-term park at PHL, and assume it's available elsewhere.
     
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    BAD assumption.
    That certainly is the exception and not the rule.

    Maybe if you ASK and pay extra..............
     
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    Yes I try to do this whenever we are out for a week. I also turn off SKS system. Also last week we went to the airport, and HV batt was lower than I wanted, so I took a few minutes to force charge to 2 or 3 blue bars before we parked.
     
  6. MB31

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    Could you elaborate? Does this mean there is some hope left and continuing to drive will make it recalibrate?

    I haven't used it since driving back from the airport as I am physically unable at the moment.

    Posted via the PriusChat mobile app.
     
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    Not necessarily, though you could always try resetting the code by disconnecting the 12V battery for while and re-connecting it. However the error will probably return next time the battery is stressed.

    What I meant about SOC recalibrating is that sometimes the battery has less charge remaining than what the Prius has predicted, particularly with an old worn battery. When this happens then it can drop several bars of SOC (state of charge) almost all at once. My 2005 Prius with over 300,000 km does it quite often. Add the fact that an old battery just sitting there will loose some charge due to self discharge (and the weakest cells are often the worst effected) and it could be in for quite an abrupt drop in SOC once you begin driving.

    The problem is that you could be starting out with the battery in a lot lower SOC than the Prius knows about, and if it draws a lot of battery current (which it always does when you drive while the engine is stone cold) then it can reverse bias the weakest cells with a large amount of current, and that's what damages it.
     
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    So today we force charged the car before taking a ride of about half an hour. During this drive we still had the red triangle, the yellow engine icon and the car with exclamation mark on the MFD. It no longer showed the exclamation mark and the VSC icon though.

    After this drive we turned off the car and let it sit for a while. Then I disconnected the wire harness once again and left it disconnected for an hour. After reconnecting and starting the car there are no longer any errors.

    I will keep using the car (as soon as I am physically able to) and from now on I will force charge the hybrid batteries before driving off. As mentioned before in this thread the error may/will get back after a while.

    We'll see what happens. I'll keep an eye on my mileage as my driving pattern is very consistent and I have always monitored this. If the batteries are not ok then I guess I should see this in my mileage.

    Will update if I have news. Thanks again to all of you for your replies!!
     
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    There's no need to force charge.....There's something wrong with your car
     
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    I agree with this assessment. A better "inactive" strategy would have been to put the 12 volt on a trickle charger. I wouldn't be surprised if the traction battery discharged to its own ill fate over the 17 days, uncovering a latent issue.
     
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    Exactly WHICH wire harness would that be ?
    And I hope you understand that a weak 12 V aux battery can cause the computers to FALSELY report that other things are bad when they really aren't.
     
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    Yes it will. You have a 2005, you are on borrowed time.

    GOOD LUCK!
     
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    Charge & Balance the hybrid battery cells within the pack after long-term storage and before driving the vehicle. This will restore the cell charge level to as good or bbetter then they were when the car was parked for storage:
    ProlongĀ® Battery Systems FAQ – Hybrid Automotive

    We have hundreds of snow-bird Prius drivers who use our products for the exact purpose.
     
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    I know I'm on borrowed time.

    Today I started the car, the battery on the MFD appears (close to) full at first, but if I should drive off it drops in red right away. Now I wait for it to fill before driving off.

    All the warning lights are back and as of today I also have P3013 (battery block 3 malfunction) and the fan in the rear is blowing.

    I have made an appointment with the Toyota dealer, they will look into it next week.
     
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    Sorry to hear that. It may be time for a new battery, but personally, I would try a grid charger first. It stands a very good chance of giving your battery many more useful miles.
     
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    You battery is following the degradation and eventual failure pattern described here exactly:
    ProlongĀ® Battery Systems FAQ – Hybrid Automotive

    Since the car sat unused immediately prior to the dash light coming on, there is a good chance reconditioning the pack will bring it back to a usable condition.
     
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    It is indeed following this pattern, and as of today I am in the last stage.

    After my previous post I drove home and after about 10 minutes the engine started revving to the max on the highway while not providing much power. I stopped and the car was still not charging the batteries when idle. I restarted the car and the battery was charging again, when it was full I could drive without issues. This repeated again when entering the city. Stopped again and could drive home ok.

    While this does follow your pattern, it is doing so very fast and without me noticing any increase in fuel consumption before this all started happening (which is stated as the first indication in the pattern).

    I'll no longer use the car for now. The reconditioning package does seem like a great product but at this stage it feels a bit like a gamble in case something else is wrong. I'll take it to Toyota for them to check first.
     
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    Do you sell your product in EU and at what price? MB31 is from Netherlnads.
     
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    I found a reseller in the Netherlands here, prices seem fair compared to the US ones but as mentioned it would be an expensive gamble should it not fix the problem.

    My Toyota dealer did mention that they do not replace individual cells or do any kind of refurbishing. If the problem is in the batteries they will only replace the whole lot.
     
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    And the price?

    It was reported that Toyota does refurbish old battery packs (in US at least), but they don't do it at the dealers and they may not know that or they are not available in EU. Price will tell what they have.