Polar Ice for 2017

I recall after Katrina they blamed that on "global warming" as well and said "expect to see a rise in Cat 5 hurricanes.

Well....guess what...wrong again. Genuises. I recall late 70s/80s we would have acid rain and wear special clothing, some areas we couldn't go outside in day time because of 0 protection from the sun.

Guess what....genuises.

Al Gore said the ice caps would have been gone by now. Another genuis.

These people have no clue as to what they are talking about.

And. Now they see some global warming on Mars happening. So genuises....is that caused by the Mars Rovers?



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Global Warming on Mars--Aleteia

Bring the rovers back before Mars is destroyed.

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In regards to acid rain and the ozone layer, we took actions to limit or stop the emissions causing the damage. That's why no dire predictions on them have come to pass.
Same with air and water pollution in general. We saw it get bad, and took steps to fix it.

 

Yeah.. hard to prove a negative

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As my mom always responded: 'They' who?

Yes, some portions of the AGW lobby, including Gore, were saying this. But others were actively disputing it, especially those from the technical and non-political disciplines.

 

'They' also said there was no global warming because they could get a snowball into Congress.

 

Coldest temps ever and sea ice is below average.Sea ice has little to do with air temp and nothing to do with CO2
-33°C: Coldest July Temps Ever In The Northern Hemisphere | The Global Warming Policy Forum (GWPF)

 

Great stuff! Most definitely an unusually cold day. See monthly Greenland Summit T here:

summit:status:weather

As you know I am interested in Greenland Summit T, especially in context of being warmer than proxy T of GISP2 core. This site may be helpful.

 

Oh darn this site

ftp://ftp.summitcamp.org/pub

does not open for me presently. Should not speculate about why. If anyone else here can look in that folder, I would be very interested if it contains weather station data.

 

Truly among the most extreme sites where science occurs, and much more accessible than Sout Pole. Not that I am planning any trips

 

Well I hope they survived the cold day. Should not be space invaders 'melting out'; that would happen on a warm day.

I am once again snuffling around elsewhere. Seems that Chuck Stearns collected weather data from 1987 to 1993. Roger Bales, 1993 to present. I got 2008-2016 off the web before, but danged if I remember from where. Seems to be a Brian Vasel involved.

If a 1983-current T record could be assembled it could answer some questions. When did air T begin to exceed the GISP2 proxy-T maximum? Is there a significant trend in instrumental data since 1987 (30 years)? Hints of impending ice age doom or just one awfully cold day?

Frankly lacking gumption in this regard. My previously compiled 2008-2016 T seems kinda good enough. Would be great if somebody else got interested in this.

I am at the moment more enjoying looking at volcanic sulfate in ice cores. When that gets prettied up it will appear in a nearby thread.

 

Can't even open

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/

and the goodies may be in there somewhere. Gumption is just draining out of my ankles or whatever.

 

I guess it would happen here

Konrad Steffen's group Greenland Climate Network

but somehow I can't bring myself to put in the text box

" in a hybrid car chat group there is interest in how air T compares to GISP2 proxy T"

It's not like me to be so shy.

 

What a fuss is made when cold July day was colder than any other July day (since 1987?).

So little fuss is made about

Endangered Archaeology: Climate Change Threatens to Swallow Paleo-Inuit Sites from Alaska to Greenland — Polar Field

We pay attention to this world in odd ways - that's for sure.

 

The Earth was warmer for much of the past 10,000 years. Definitely warmer 100,000 years ago during the last interglacial.
Whatever survived past warming will likely last through future.
Archaeologists know where the climate scam grant money is .

 

A Greenland melt mechanism other than +T:

Sunnier summers propel Greenland melting : Research Highlights
Decreasing cloud cover drives the recent mass loss on the Greenland Ice Sheet | Science Advances

Interestingly enough, the best way to briefly attain very cold T (see a few posts above) is cloud-free sky.