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Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by bwilson4web, Jul 5, 2017.

  1. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Another excellent report from Jeff Cobb's team: June 2017 Dashboard

    I throughly recommend reading his summary.

    model 06/15/17 05/15/17 04/15/17 03/15/17
    1 Fusion Hybrid 5697 5671 4509 5865
    2 Prius Liftback 5476 6064 5802 5798
    3 Transit Diesel 3789 4830 4025 4258
    4 RAV4 3709 4070 3516 3497
    5 Model S 2200 1700 1200 3100
    6 Niro Hybrid 2188 2660 2939 2704
    7 Model X 2100 1800 900 2500
    8 Accord Hybrid 1799 1976 1787 1843
    9 Volt 1745 1817 1807 2132
    10 Bolt 1642 1566 1292 978
    11 Prius Prime 1619 1908 1819 1618
    12 Leaf 1506 1392 1063 1478
    13 Highlander Hybrid 1478 1514 1663 1587
    14 Camry Hybrid 1355 1711 1513 1658
    15 Ioniq Hybrid 1348 1752 1297 327
    16 C-Max Hybrid 966 880 720 671
    17 C-Max Energi 936 950 720 662
    18 Prius C 867 1121 1161 1385
    19 Colorado Diesel 784 666 753 722
    20 Prius V 773 929 926 960
    21 Sonata 741 848 1115 1082
    22 Fusion Energi 707 1000 905 1002
    23 RX 400 / 450 h 655 747 615 713
    24 CT200h 615 825 794 841
    25 i3 567 506 516 703
    26 Golf Sportwagon Diesel 565 1819 1819
    27 3-Series Plug in 496 475 260 365
    28 X5 488 433 291 397
    29 ES Hybrid 481 467 356 448
    30 MKZ 428 588 509 605
    31 Passat Diesel 419 1147 1147
    32 X5 Diesel 360 273 238 271
    33 Jetta Diesel 352 937 637
    34 Avalon Hybrid 352 412 400 530
    35 Pacifica 350 800 800
    36 A3 Plug In 324 294 301 414
    37 Canyon Diesel 290 310 324 291
    38 Optima Hybrid 289 220 228 245
    39 Malibu Hybrid 278 493 409 372
    40 500e 249 310 300 418
    41 5-Series Plug in 239 147 147
    42 e-Golf 232 381 307 342
    43 Range Rover Sport 221 228 230 397
    44 NX Hybrid 215 228 181 276
    45 XC90 Plug In 202 146 145 103
    46 Cayenne S E-Hybrid 195 174 185 126
    47 Sonata Plug In 175 225 300 275
    48 Range Rover 175 166 206 342
    49 MDX Hybrid 163 148 57 0
    50 3-Series Diesel 152 138 112 194
    51 Golf Diesel 149 446 446
    52 Cruze Diesel 142 104 79 33
    53 Mirai 129 162 106 118
    54 XE 127 125 257 398
    55 F-Pace 112 175 134 336
    56 Focus EV 110 132 125 407
    57 Soul EV 100 129 167 171
    58 S550 Plug In 81 83 81 60
    59 Optima Plug In 78 85 86 70
    60 CR-Z 62 65 85 129
    61 Beetle Diesel 62 91 44
    62 Ioniq EV 58 75 19
    63 XF 55 53 49 39
    64 7-Series Plug in 52 33 123 42
    65 Clarity 49 119 34 23
    66 B-Class Electric 46 46 66 50
    67 GLE 550e Hybrid 41 33 36 47
    68 Promaster Van Diesel 37 42 27 40
    69 Q50 Hybrid 32 135 102 152
    70 NSX Hybrid 31 23 91 37
    71 A3 Diesel 27 30 6 0
    72 Lacrosse Hybrid 25 9 12 22
    73 i8 22 18 23 49
    74 CT6 20 16 6
    75 LC 500h 16 29 29
    76 RLX Hybrid 16 14 22 30
    77 GS 450h 12 4 3 5
    78 Countryman Plug In 10
    79 ELR 7 0 2 2
    80 XV Crosstrek Hybrid 7 1 1 12
    81 Civic Hybrid 5 4 8 15
    82 Jetta Hybrid 4 10 10 9
    83 Q70 Hybrid 4 5 4 11
    84 forTwo EV 3 0 3 13
    85 GLS-Class Diesel 3
    86 Tucson 2 4 5 2
    87 E-Class Diesel 2 4 6
    88 GL-Class Diesel 2 1 3
    89 GLE-Class Diesel 2 3
    90 X3 Diesel 2 3
    91 Spark 1 0 1 3
    92 Impala Hybrid 1 0 0 0
    93 Regal Hybrid 1 1 0 1
    94 5-Series Diesel 1 4
    95 Pathfinder Hybrid 0 65 57 104
    96 QX60 Hybrid 0 69 56 76
    97 C350We Plug-in Hybrid 0 7 3 17
    98 i 0 0 2 3
    99 Panamera S E-Hybrid 0 1 2 3
    100 Insight 0 0 1 0


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    • Tesla coming back - Model 3 supposed to be out Friday
    • Fusion and Prius are racing neck and neck
    • Niro sales following the usual sales decline after the initial release
    I've moved from excel to OpenOffice and spread the processing over three sheets. This modular approach should help when I have a senior moment. The graph shows the top 20 and I'm still seeing three groups:
    • market leaders - Ford Fusion, Prius Liftback, Transit diesel, RAV4
    • middle 8-10 - Niro, Teslas, e.t.c.
    • the rest - ~1,000 or fewer units per month
    I could use a log y-axis scale to help spread out the lower levels but it isn't clear that it clarifies what is going on ... a puzzle.

    Enjoy,
    Bob Wilson
     
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    what is driving fusion sales? they can't give them away forever. amazing.
     
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    They might be able to as long as the F150 sales stay up.

    Looks like everything dropped since last month.
     
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    hybrid sales up 10% for the first half compared to 2016. phev sales up 44%, and that should go up if toyota ships more primes and trains more dealers. bev sales up 29% and that should increase significantly in the 4th quarter if tesla is able to ramp up model 3 production. If trends continue plug-ins + hybrids will be at an all time high in 2019 in the US. Of course the other part of this trend is 2019 is the year that plug-ins may outsell conventional hybrids. Fusion, Niro, Accord, prius prime, bolt, and highlander were the biggest gainers (in that order) compared to last year. I don't really know what is happening with the fusion and highlander, the others are new vehicles.
     
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    For that to happen, CA needs to extend free HOV green and white stickers beyond 2019, which they will probably do.
     
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    bloomberg did a very optimistic piece about ev's on tv yesterday. fairly in depth covering manufacturers and countries.
    i nearly fell out of my chair.
     
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    Bloomberg?...better fasten your seat belt
     
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    Perhaps with the Model 3 coming out today (we think,) Bloomberg stopped shorting their Tesla stock?

    Bob Wilson
     
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    How's it doing today Bob? down a frac, after big down.
    Tesla is a speculative stock, but I'd say it is a critical time for them
     
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    Simple, in my opinion:
    A well built large car at a "reasonable" price.
    Fuel economy is good for a car that size.
    It rides and handles great. It has good power if you push it.

    Oh....and I quite assure you that they aren't "giving them away".

    I have one of each (Fusion Hybrid and Prius C) and am extremely happy with each.......for somewhat different reasons.
     
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    great car, but been around for quite awhile. something has changed in the past year or so.
     
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    they rated tesla as the number one company in ev's. highest technology, and small enough to be nimble.
     
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    Could you comment on the driver's seat comfort between the two? I know that comfort is subjective, but curious on this aspect as my wife is in search of a comfortable seat with good lumbar support.
     
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    have her try the hycam, my wife has a bad back and loves hers.
     
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    The seat in the C either fits you or it doesn't. Not much adjustment at all. And little lumbar support IIRC.

    The Ford has a 9 way electric seat (I think that's the number) and any car with a "premium" drivers seat should be a lot better than a non-adjustable one.

    The C bothers me a little after a couple of hours. The Ford not so much.
     
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    With the big down turn of over 20% this week, tesla is still up by 46% this year so far. Does it deserve 46% ... No. Its a momentum stock, and I really think momentum has broken. It was looking for any bad news, and this week we got some. 1) production problems at the battery factory made Q2 shipments lower than expected, 2) Tesla reinterated some healthy claims of production increases next year, things that mean the model 3 will require more investments and stock dillution, 3) Goldman came out with analysis that they thought the stock was wildly overvalued and it might drop to half, 4) IIHS said tesla's car was only acceptable in small offset crashes, tesla tweated against the test (IMHO legitimately, but Forbes took a different take).

    All this pushed the stock down.

    Net of all the news this week - model 3 shipments in Q4 and 2018 will exceed most expectations from a week ago, but that pushes out profitability of tesla and increases risk to stock holders. Tesla will have to sell the model 3 with less than full federal incentives in 2019, and probably only get half incentives Q4 of 2018. Fall in tesla's stock price is probably rational. This is probably only good news for plug-in sales.

    Other Tesla news that is good for plug-in fans, the deal is that tesla will supply Australia with a 100 MW / 129 MWH battery to stabilize the grid and more efficiently use wind power in southern australia. They will build and install it 100 days from contract. The low price of $250/kwh means the gigafactory probably has over come their production problems, and costs for lithium batteries for the new model 3 probably are less than $200/kwh as predicted.
     
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    Deals can be found on the Fusion around me.
    I think the Highlander finally moved away from only having one, overpriced hybrid trim to multiples like the Camry. So people can buy one without the temptation of upgrading to a RX.
     
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