Slightly Underappreciated Prime?

100% agree ... I'm in SoCal so admittedly benefitting from a climate perspective, my EV range currently sits at 42.3, that's actually 68% more than the 25 rating, I'm impressed!

 

if only they hadn't shoe horned the battery in.

 

That's rather short-sighted. Think about what happens with battery energy density...

 

hey, i don't even buy green banana's.

 

This is good news. I have a short commute (all street driving, no freeways) and live in a warm climate. In the summer my PiP shows around 16 miles per charge. I wonder what I can expect from my Prime when it arrives?

 

I never saw anything that high with mine in Minnesota. 13 miles was the top estimate.

For my Prime, I'm seeing 28 miles currently, despite the near freezing temps. With a single day in the day 60's, that estimate shot up to 32 miles.

 

Toyota will put in a bigger gas tank for longer range bragging.

The incremental improvements in battery technology aren't going to be big enough for the Prime to get a cargo floor level with that of the Prius, and still retain its current range. At best we'll see what GM did with the gen1 Volt; a small improvement to range without touching any of the car's structure.

Any changes bigger than that will wait for the next Prime. So calls about things being better in the future doesn't excuse the job Toyota did on the today's Prime.

 

There is nothing to base such an absolute claim upon.

 

I'm up to 36 now.

 

i doubt we'll see any change to the battery until the next gen, there's no precedent.
will 6 years be enough to get the same energy out of a battery that will fit below the hatch floor?
and will 25 miles be enough for the next prime?
might be easier to lose the wishbone.

 

The Volt saw its total battery capacity increase for the 2013 model by a whole half kilowatt-hour. If we see such improvement applied to the Prime, the pack might go up to 9.1kWh. Going smaller to save weight would have to be part of other weight savings. Air cooling requires space for the air to flow, so a smaller pack won't save much space from the entire assembly.

 

it's not worth arguing about, since there's only a .000000000000000000001% chance of them doing anything before 2023.

 

Huh? There is already a precedent for being flexible. We've witnessed that firsthand. Why such a staunch disregard for adaptation to a rapidly growing market?

 

idk, i'm just going by history. sure, anything can be done. but why would anyone expect it, or even hold out hope? move on with your life, and enjoy the moment.
what a sad state of affairs. toyota comes out with a brand new product, and we're already discussing how it can be improved.
these suggestions are not new, why would they do them after completing the product?

 

Why didn't they fore see them coming?

 

History has revealed Toyota's willingness to adjust based on how the market responds. Have you already forgotten what happened... several times?

Ironically, that describes your own actions... still dwelling on what we learned a whole year ago and chose to wait until the next. Focus on the journey. Clear progress is being made.

Prius is a product continuously being upgraded... without suffering from the Osborne effort. We have always talked about what comes next. It's a platform offering easy next steps and quite a bit of flexibility.

Remember, the goal is to expand the market. Trying new approaches is a way of doing that. Think about how much people complained about Toyota not taking risks. Clearly, they are now. This thread helps to confirm the stir caused... breaking the status quo.

 

are you serious? i'm still waiting for the upgraded battery for my pip.